Provincial election only 6 months away, who are you voting for?

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New Cancer Centre is getting built.

Can't think of where else the money went, maybe avocado toast at every meeting?

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4843100

I could write volumes on this.

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[suntan]

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Holy shit, that article doesn't paint a pretty picture.

That analysis is 100% political bullshit.

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3) Introduce a 2-tier health care where a full public system exists alongside a private one
Health care is the biggest eater of dollars; systems that offer better service and cost less do exist. Letting people who want to "skip" the line and go pay for private treatment might seem unfair... but it reduces the cost burden on public systems and also means that the wait for people that remain in the public system will have shorter wait times. It is actually a win-win for everybody. Additionally down the road it may be cheaper for the province to pay to send patients to private clinics for day to day diagnostics than run them through the public system reducing the cost of the public system even further. A two tier system that still offers full health care benefits to all Canadians, with shorter wait times and better levels of service, and at 60% of the current cost is a realistic goal.


5) Get rid of health care premiums
It is important to send the message that health care is universally free in Canada, plus the NDP are using it as a stop-gap measure (which isn't working) to try and delay bringing in a PST or massively raising income taxes right now. Playing with health care access is just such a shitty thing to do.

"I'm here to send a message that Healthcare is universally free in Canada! On an unrelated note, here is a non universal, not-free healthcare system that will also be operating."

[nzwasp]

Maybe they just don’t need to pay the doctors 250-500k per year each.

[spikerS]

I have been chatting with the local Alberta Party candidate, and I can resonate with a lot of what he is saying. We have had a couple good chats over coffee and while shovelling snow in the community.

Pisses me off, because if I vote for him, I am splitting the vote, and I want the NDP out so bad, I would vote for a liberal right now if it meant they won. So that means I will probably be voting UCP and then re-evaluating next election.

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I have been chatting with the local Alberta Party candidate, and I can resonate with a lot of what he is saying. We have had a couple good chats over coffee and while shovelling snow in the community.

Pisses me off, because if I vote for him, I am splitting the vote, and I want the NDP out so bad, I would vote for a liberal right now if it meant they won. So that means I will probably be voting UCP and then re-evaluating next election.

I am on the same page. I disagree with lots of points the UCP stand for, but hate the NDP. UCP it is.

[Maxt]

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"I'm here to send a message that Healthcare is universally free in Canada! On an unrelated note, here is a non universal, not-free healthcare system that will also be operating."

We actually do have this already, we just export the money out of province and country to do it. Many an Albertan doctor has left to open up in other jurisdictions. The knee guy I went to see in Montana was originally from Edmonton. There's an economic diversification avenue that exists, but people fight it, and the money leaves anyway.

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We actually do have this already

Well there goes Phreak's dream of 60% cost savings.

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[kertejud2]

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Free Kool-Aid*

*with 200$ MANDATORY monthly subscription, plus 3-8 days delivery
**We will come find you if you don't pay**

VS:

Free Kool-Aid*

*Seriously free... no strings, 1 day delivery
**Optional 200$ expedited delivery available**

Who's setting up the system set up to compete with a free, 1 day delivery service for an optional $200 fee when a mandatory $200 fee couldn't beat that service?

[suntan]

Making things mandatory usually lowers quality of service, because you know, it's mandatory.

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[kertejud2]

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Making things mandatory usually lowers quality of service, because you know, it's mandatory.

The two-tiered systems he's building his proposal off of all have mandatory coverage required. It's the only way they work.


EDIT: As I thought, France.

So you want to eliminate healthcare premiums and replace them with a provincial health insurance fund paid for by taxes on:

5.25% on all earned income and capital gains
3.95% of pensions and benefits

In addition you won't be covered for everything (you'll have a co-pay) but you can buy extra insurance to cover that, but fortunately employers are required to subsidize it, and if you don't earn enough you'll be covered as well. So really if you're gainfully employed and don't buy insurance, you're paying for 10-20% of your healthcare bill.

[dirtsniffer]

What's all this shit about free healthcare? I pay over $7,000 a year for healthcare I would spend less in the us for insurance and be provided a way better service.

Also tiered healthcare has been proven to be more effective in many countries.

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Well there goes Phreak's dream of 60% cost savings.

Not necessarily, there could be infrastructure sharing between the 2 systems. There has been plenty of ballyhoo made in the past about the poor utilization rates of medical infrastructure here, and if patients from other jurisdictions started paying to come here for treatment, thats more money in, especially with many hospitals having unused blocks of surgical time available.

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[kertejud2]

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The other thing is that private sector generally drives new innovations in order to gain a competitive edge, plus without unions and giant pension plans to cover, they can operate for a lot less cost. There may also be opportunities for the private sector to take on overflow from the public side.

Say for instance; if the public system is overwhelmed with knee surgeries, and the public cost is $15,000 (no idea what the real cost is, this is just an example), meanwhile the private sector can do it for $10,000, then the government could opt to forward patients into the private system and subsidize the entire cost for them... this saves the government 5000$, plus it expedites the surgeries needed.

Not really how the French system works, but okay.


The French system is great, you just don't have a fucking clue how it works or is funded.

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What's all this shit about free healthcare? I pay over $7,000 a year for healthcare I would spend less in the us for insurance and be provided a way better service.

Also tiered healthcare has been proven to be more effective in many countries.

Your wrong again. You would pay $6000 +us a year, have a deductible and a cap, plus $10,000 a year of your taxes goes to fund medicare.

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