Has your office / company laid people off or are you expecting layoffs? PART 8

[sabad66]

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I'd love to know more about where these next jobs are for any O&G employees?
Even 12 months salary may not be enough to hold you through.

Well he mentioned IT. I'm seeing a lot of stuff out there depending on which specialty, so likely will be able to find something (although maybe a pay cut if not in O&G).

But yeah Engineering or Subsurface, agreed 12 months might not be enough time to find an equivalent role.

[Xtrema]

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I'd love to know more about where these next jobs are for any O&G employees?
Even 12 months salary may not be enough to hold you through.

12months still better than 8weeks provincial min.

[CaptainReboot]

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I'd love to know more about where these next jobs are for any O&G employees?
Even 12 months salary may not be enough to hold you through.

I don’t really need to get back into the industry. The IT work I didn’t wasn’t specific to Oil and Gas so I can really look at jobs anywhere.

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Well he mentioned IT. I'm seeing a lot of stuff out there depending on which specialty, so likely will be able to find something (although maybe a pay cut if not in O&G).

But yeah Engineering or Subsurface, agreed 12 months might not be enough time to find an equivalent role.

Yep, there are IT jobs out there. I applied to one earlier today. I don’t expect O&G money at my next gig and would most likely be taking a pay cut but I’m ok with that.

[The_Rural_Juror]

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12months still better than 8weeks provincial min.

12 months + EI after is still better than most things.

[Disoblige]

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I'd love to know more about where these next jobs are for any O&G employees?
Even 12 months salary may not be enough to hold you through.

It's going to be hard to feel sorry for someone who doesn't try to adapt in this type of situation. Worst case you work a job that might be less than ideal but still bringing in cash flow.
But if someone is dead set of getting a similar O&G gig without thinking about pivoting in a new direction, then sucks for you. Not really anyone's problem. There is a lot of people who wish they got 12 months salary.

[speedog]

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It's going to be hard to feel sorry for someone who doesn't try to adapt in this type of situation. Worst case you work a job that might be less than ideal but still bringing in cash flow.
But if someone is dead set of getting a similar O&G gig without thinking about pivoting in a new direction, then sucks for you. Not really anyone's problem. There is a lot of people who wish they got 12 months salary.

The problem is that it can be very difficult for people to step outside of their comfort zones with respect to careers and the training they have. I've personally never had an issue with this but will readily admit it is very daunting to move to a completely new job whether within the same company or not - now a new job that required completely new skill sets is even more challenging.

During my 26.5 year tenure at TELUS, I was in 7 very unique positions of which new skill sets were required in every one. Since than, I've moved around and have worked in 3 very different and totally unrelated industries which all required very unique skill sets that I never had or acquired at TELUS.

Over the years, it became quite apparent to me that the bulk of people do not embrace change well and do not adapt to change well. Thus why those people will soldier on in the same role for decades, it's just easier plus many people just do not care to take on new challenges, voluntary or not.

Myself, I have always relished new challenges and in my current role as a cabinet installer subcontractor, every job pretty much presents new challenges plus I sub to different companies as well who have differing products and procedures. I do not like cookie cutter condo/apartment projects because there really is not no challenge in them - you essentially just come a robot doing the same task over and over again with nothing to challenge the old grey matter.

As far as severance, many people will figure me to be the biggest fool for resigning after 26.5 years and walking away with no compensation but there were 2 major factors that affected this. First, I was a bargaining unit employee map meaning there was no personally signed contract nor any personally negotiated exit package. Second, any worthwhile package for me was still over 7-8 years out and I knew that my mental health and quite possibly my physical health as well would not survive counting the days of those 7-8 years. So a resignation letter and an unscheduled meeting with my supervisor sealed the deal - it was like a huge weight was lifted off of my chest. Since that momentous day, there have certainly been huge ups and downs but over all my health, both mentally and physically, have been much better and I am still alive and kicking which I can not say of many of the people that I left at TELUS. Funny thing is that the happiest and happiest ex-TELUS people I know are pretty much the ones who left the employ of TELUS on their own terms well before their tenure should've lasted.

Looking back, I probably should've worked for myself all along but it is all too easy to slide into a company career and just become part of a machine - it's easy to be looked after and many people like easy.

[Disoblige]

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The problem is that it can be very difficult for people to step outside of their comfort zones with respect to careers and the training they have. I've personally never had an issue with this but will readily admit it is very daunting to move to a completely new job whether within the same company or not - now a new job that required completely new skill sets is even more challenging.

Agreed, it is not an easy feat. But when you are challenged to put food on the table, how deep are you going to dig? Decision is up to you and it's hard to feel sorry for someone who feels they are too good to bag groceries if they had to do it to make ends meet.

[03ozwhip]

Alright so I was dead miserable when I worked for TELUS almost 8 years ago. It was crazy hard to make a jump into something I've never really done before and for the last almost 8 years being a welder mostly doing O&G, I see the writing on the wall and its something I'm going to have to look at.

Either im going to have to get into specialty welding somehow or move on to another career. It is daunting to think about, but it may be necessary.

I'm not ready to give up on welding yet, but for how long does a guy wait, right? I'm in a unique situation where I can hold out, but I dont want to do that for too long either.

[msommers]

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It's going to be hard to feel sorry for someone who doesn't try to adapt in this type of situation. Worst case you work a job that might be less than ideal but still bringing in cash flow.
But if someone is dead set of getting a similar O&G gig without thinking about pivoting in a new direction, then sucks for you. Not really anyone's problem. There is a lot of people who wish they got 12 months salary.

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Agreed, it is not an easy feat. But when you are challenged to put food on the table, how deep are you going to dig? Decision is up to you and it's hard to feel sorry for someone who feels they are too good to bag groceries if they had to do it to make ends meet.

Curious, is this just a statement for the masses to heed as nice advice or do you know someone that refuses anything but a 100K O&G job while scrapping by to feed their family?

Perhaps I'm looking at this differently but most parents will do just about anything to make sure their kids are fed. So this idea that someone is so unwavering to do anything but the cushiest of jobs while letting their kids eat KD all day every day is laughable and an extreme outlier if it exists at all.

That said, there are many delusional professionals out there. An engineer I know was making 125k/yr after 2 years of real experience post school. Got laid off and waited nearly another 2 years before "settling" for a 90k/yr job despite feeling worth so much more. This is just one of many examples I've heard about and are entirely the younger professionals without a family. Kids change priorities for most people, a luxury younger professionals without kids don't have to consider.

[Disoblige]

You are right, it does apply less to "families" as I'm sure they would hopefully do more to support their kids.

But I never mentioned strictly just parents. Young couples, singles, older folk without kids, all need to put food on the table. And yes there are lots out there who rather sit on their ass and play video games or play the victim card instead of doing something less than ideal. A lot of EITs I talk to specifically, but that is just anecdotal crap anyways lol.

[speedog]

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Agreed, it is not an easy feat. But when you are challenged to put food on the table, how deep are you going to dig? Decision is up to you and it's hard to feel sorry for someone who feels they are too good to bag groceries if they had to do it to make ends meet.

Job snobs. We've always told our kids not to be job snobs.

[Xtrema]

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Looking back, I probably should've worked for myself all along but it is all too easy to slide into a company career and just become part of a machine - it's easy to be looked after and many people like easy.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to speedog again.

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

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Agreed, it is not an easy feat. But when you are challenged to put food on the table, how deep are you going to dig? Decision is up to you and it's hard to feel sorry for someone who feels they are too good to bag groceries if they had to do it to make ends meet.

I worked under CaptainReboot for years as a contractor. It was great. Eventually that ended, and I found another contract for less money. Still O&G, some decent people, but some not so great ones. They asked to extend me, and I turned it down in favor of my own mental health. I couldn't find work within a month, so I walked into Urban X, and worked as a seasonal tire guy for Bob until I found something else. Was the money shitty compared to what I had before? Absolutely. Did I feel better because I wasn't at home doing nothing? Absolutely.

Now I work as an employee, doing DevOps/SRE work outside of O&G. Zero regrets, I never felt like I was too good to do something to get food on the table. Also, working at Urban X was fun as hell, even if the work was physically difficult. I'm also super grateful for Bob and Keny giving me a job after essentially walking in off the street, and being super supportive when I found another job.

[dirtsniffer]

Some Talisman IT people... The name Schwing mean anything to you?

[ThePenIsMightier]

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I worked under CaptainReboot for years as a contractor. It was great. Eventually that ended, and I found another contract for less money. Still O&G, some decent people, but some not so great ones. They asked to extend me, and I turned it down in favor of my own mental health. I couldn't find work within a month, so I walked into Urban X, and worked as a seasonal tire guy for Bob until I found something else. Was the money shitty compared to what I had before? Absolutely. Did I feel better because I wasn't at home doing nothing? Absolutely.

Now I work as an employee, doing DevOps/SRE work outside of O&G. Zero regrets, I never felt like I was too good to do something to get food on the table. Also, working at Urban X was fun as hell, even if the work was physically difficult. I'm also super grateful for Bob and Keny giving me a job after essentially walking in off the street, and being super supportive when I found another job.

You've made a powerful admirer, today!

[msommers]

WestJet has laid off some 9,000 of its 14,000 employees since the COVID-19 pandemic struck

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...s-layoffs.html

[dirtsniffer]

Had round 3 on Monday. Down around 25% of staff. All plants on temp layoff which about 30% perm laid off

[Power_Of_Rotary]

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...s-layoffs.html

really cant blame them... its surprising not more airlines are folding..sooner.

[Xtrema]

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really cant blame them... its surprising not more airlines are folding..sooner.

Almost all national airlines are getting government bailouts. Surprisingly, no direct money from our Fed yet. And sounds like that wage subsidy isn't worth it as expected.

[killramos]

We have already increased our national debt by 33% in one year with no line of sign to better times.

What corporate welfare do we expect, our country is broke as a joke.