Has your office / company laid people off or are you expecting layoffs? PART 8

[bjstare]

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Not saying there was a worker that was on WCB light duties, thrown into our dept as they couldn't get rid of him legally, then was laid off, and then now perm laid off.....so perfect opportunity......but as for the pregnant part yeah I dunno. I posted it mainly for the other parts

Then he wasn't doing a good enough job in his new role; if he was, they would have laid someone else off. He should have recognized that he was in a precarious position, no longer being able to perform the job he was hired for, and working his sack off to prove his worth in the new role. If your dept was 8 and now it's 5, you had 3 too many people before (or 3 too many people for the current workload). No need to over-complicate it.

I mean I get the sentiment of the article, but it's a little sensational to say the least. Really what it comes down to is companies across all sectors have been given a catalyst to optimize and right-size their workforce.

[holden]

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25%

? They announced they are going to let go of 25% of staff or that amount actually got let go? Either way, that seems quite significant. I couldn't imagine my organization letting go of 25%, unless people were just sitting on their hands.

[lasimmon]

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Children usually mean death to career for women. Unless that career involves and accommodate children. This especially true when they have their 1st. Most will automatically think she will have a second within next 5 years and immediate excluded from decision making roles. I have seen so many career focus women forgo mat leave and try to return ASAP to prove that they are reliable.

Does this still happen? Maybe. But companies are starting to realize you will have issues without having woman in positions of power eventually. My wifes company wants to retain their woman so they offer even better mat leave offerings (salary top up, benefits, etc) because they want them to actually come back so they can continue on their career path.

[Xtrema]

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Then he wasn't doing a good enough job in his new role; if he was, they would have laid someone else off. He should have recognized that he was in a precarious position, no longer being able to perform the job he was hired for, and working his sack off to prove his worth in the new role. If your dept was 8 and now it's 5, you had 3 too many people before (or 3 too many people for the current workload). No need to over-complicate it.

I mean I get the sentiment of the article, but it's a little sensational to say the least. Really what it comes down to is companies across all sectors have been given a catalyst to optimize and right-size their workforce.

Sounds like he is using WCB as some loophole to hang on to his job. I have seen less than optimal people basically use every dirty trick possible to prolong their employment and disability is the 1st thing they latch onto.

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Does this still happen? Maybe. But companies are starting to realize you will have issues without having woman in positions of power eventually. My wifes company wants to retain their woman so they offer even better mat leave offerings (salary top up, benefits, etc) because they want them to actually come back so they can continue on their career path.

Last time I have seen this happen was 10 years ago. It probably has improved a lot since but given Calgary still run by a lot of good old boys, it probably still happens in some shops.

[importracer]

Instead of starting a new thread... curious to know what is considered normal for Severance? 2 weeks for each year worked?

[lasimmon]

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Instead of starting a new thread... curious to know what is considered normal for Severance? 2 weeks for each year worked?

Previously in O&G people would hope for a month a year, and settle on 3 - 4 weeks. Now, I am hearing you are lucky to get 3 weeks.

[pheoxs]

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Heard Suncor did some cuts recently... anyone affected?

They've been talking about cuts and said they are coming but none have happened yet that I know of. I'd expect end of month though (when wage subsidy ends)

[sabad66]

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Instead of starting a new thread... curious to know what is considered normal for Severance? 2 weeks for each year worked?

There are government mandated minimums here:
https://www.alberta.ca/termination-pay.aspx#toc-3

But apparently there are also "industry norms/precedent" (probably a better term for it) that dictate more than the minimums such as what lasimmon mentioned above. Apparently people have been able to fight to get closer to the industry precedents if they only offer the government minimums but not sure how that works in practice and what laws apply in that case.

[ExtraSlow]

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Does this still happen? Maybe. But companies are starting to realize you will have issues without having woman in positions of power eventually. My wifes company wants to retain their woman so they offer even better mat leave offerings (salary top up, benefits, etc) because they want them to actually come back so they can continue on their career path.

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Last time I have seen this happen was 10 years ago. It probably has improved a lot since but given Calgary still run by a lot of good old boys, it probably still happens in some shops.

The best companies understand that having women in leadership roles is a big benefit, and they set up thier policies and culture to allow that. Calgary has a disgusting number of old white guys who don't think like this, and I hope they all retire soon, because I'm sick of it.

[msommers]

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The best companies understand that having women in leadership roles is a big benefit, and they set up thier policies and culture to allow that. Calgary has a disgusting number of old white guys who don't think like this, and I hope they all retire soon, because I'm sick of it.

Then who will go to the Petroleum Club?!

[dirtsniffer]

Not much purpose on laying off someone on mat leave right now? pay severance now or leave them on ei in hopes things turn around before they come back. We've laid off people returning from mat leave, but not during it.

Recently we let someone go who had a peer on mat leave. It didn't make sense to keep that person working and lay off the person on leave. but if things don't improve before her return she could get let go as well.


Edit, our company has a focus on growing women into leaders, but when one lady has a relationship with a senior executive then ends up on that track it's hard to see the purpose. At least their heads are starting to look in the right direction.

[Aleks]

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25%

That's huge.

[ExtraSlow]

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Then who will go to the Petroleum Club?!

Kinda funny, the only person I still go the petroleum club with is a woman. But very much the type of woman who is constantly projecting her dominance over everyone, male or female. She's awesome.

[SkiBum5.0]

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They've been talking about cuts and said they are coming but none have happened yet that I know of. I'd expect end of month though (when wage subsidy ends)

Wage subsidy is extended thru August. It will not impact headcount decisions.

[Xtrema]

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There are government mandated minimums here:
https://www.alberta.ca/termination-pay.aspx#toc-3

But apparently there are also "industry norms/precedent" (probably a better term for it) that dictate more than the minimums such as what lasimmon mentioned above. Apparently people have been able to fight to get closer to the industry precedents if they only offer the government minimums but not sure how that works in practice and what laws apply in that case.

Didn't Chevron did gov minimum in 2016 and staff actually has to work them? I don't recall now, remember the severance was horrible.

[pheoxs]

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Wage subsidy is extended thru August. It will not impact headcount decisions.

Companies have to reapply though and I think the application has been slightly revamped. So companies already on it may or may not still qualify.

[msommers]

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Kinda funny, the only person I still go the petroleum club with is a woman. But very much the type of woman who is constantly projecting her dominance over everyone, male or female. She's awesome.

Ha that's awesome. I believe there was a time women couldn't even go in there unless they were wait staff.

[ExtraSlow]

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Ha that's awesome. I believe there was a time women couldn't even go in there unless they were wait staff.

Yeah, I think that's true.

[dirtsniffer]

there is so much case law on severance that the the actual law doesn't matter. I'd plan for 3 weeks of severance for each year of employment, more if you are a senior executive. Based on total comp, not base salary. maintain benefits for duration. potentially other perks like pension or rrsp matching.

I have a good friend who packaged out dozens of people over the years. They're considering consulting to individuals to maximise packages. Seems like an interesting endeavour considering everything going on

[lasimmon]

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there is so much case law on severance that the the actual law doesn't matter. I'd plan for 3 weeks of severance for each year of employment, more if you are a senior executive. Based on total comp, not base salary. maintain benefits for duration. potentially other perks like pension or rrsp matching.

I have a good friend who packaged out dozens of people over the years. They're considering consulting to individuals to maximise packages. Seems like an interesting endeavour considering everything going on

This isn't a reasonable expectation in this market anymore from I have been told.