Ticket for no registration

[ShermanEF9]

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Ok so you're opinion on traffic enforcement is that it is NOT based on safety. Fair enough, that's your opinion and you're welcome to it despite how ignorant it might be.

Where did i say this? Traffic enforcement is absolutely based on safety. as an example (of which you still cannot comprehend) a stop sign. If I use a stop sign as directed EVERY SINGLE TIME CORRECTLY, the likelihood of an incident occuring is minimized substantially.

It doesn't matter if its "safe", the law is the law.

This is in reference to you pointing out "WeLl ThE InTeRsEcTiOn WaS cLeAr So WhAt DoEs It MaTtEr!?" what i mean by this is the rules of the road need to be followed regardless of how you feel about the situation. Is it okay to run a red light at 3am because no one is around? absolutely not. Its the "what if" Factor.

Also keep in mind cowboy, driving in this country is not a right.

[Misterman]

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Where did i say this? Traffic enforcement is absolutely based on safety. as an example (of which you still cannot comprehend) a stop sign. If I use a stop sign as directed EVERY SINGLE TIME CORRECTLY, the likelihood of an incident occuring is minimized substantially.


This is in reference to you pointing out "WeLl ThE InTeRsEcTiOn WaS cLeAr So WhAt DoEs It MaTtEr!?" what i mean by this is the rules of the road need to be followed regardless of how you feel about the situation. Is it okay to run a red light at 3am because no one is around? absolutely not. Its the "what if" Factor.

Also keep in mind cowboy, driving in this country is not a right.

You're making some grossly opposing logical fallacies right now.

Please inform me what safety lesson is to be learned from a 300$ registration ticket?

[ShermanEF9]

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You're making some grossly opposing logical fallacies right now.

Please inform me what safety lesson is to be learned from a 300$ registration ticket?

Okay.

Registration of vehicles
52(1) Except as otherwise permitted under this Act, a person shall
not do any of the following:
(a) operate a motor vehicle or trailer on a highway unless
there is a subsisting certificate of registration issued in
respect of that vehicle;
(b) knowingly operate a motor vehicle on a highway
RSA 2000
Section 52 Chapter T-6
60
TRAFFIC SAFETY ACT
(i) while the certificate of registration or permit issued
under this Act in respect of the motor vehicle is
cancelled, or
(ii) while the certificate of registration or permit issued
under this Act in respect of the motor vehicle is
under suspension;
(c) operate a salvage motor vehicle on a highway unless there
is a subsisting in-transit permit issued in respect of that
vehicle;
(d) where the person has possession of or control over a
motor vehicle or a trailer, permit another person to operate
that motor vehicle or trailer on a highway unless there is a
subsisting certificate of registration issued in respect of
that vehicle;
(e) apply for, acquire or attempt to acquire the registration of
a motor vehicle or trailer during any period when the
registration of the vehicle or the certificate of registration
is suspended or cancelled;
(f) apply for, acquire or attempt to acquire the registration of
a motor vehicle or trailer in the name of
(i) an applicant that purports to be a corporation if the
corporation does not exist, or
(ii) a corporation, incorporated otherwise than under the
laws of Alberta, that
(A) is required to be but is not or has ceased to be
licensed as an insurer under the Insurance Act,
or
(B) is required to be but is not or has ceased to be
registered under
(I) the Business Corporations Act,
(II) the Companies Act,
(III) the Loan and Trust Corporations Act, or
(IV) the Co-operative Associations Act or the
Cooperatives Act;
(g) use any certificate of registration that is in the name of a
corporation that does not exist at the time the certificate of
registration is used;
RSA 2000
Section 53 Chapter T-6
61
TRAFFIC SAFETY ACT
(h) unless the motor vehicle is an insured motor vehicle,
(i) apply for the registration of a motor vehicle, or
(ii) obtain the registration of a motor vehicle.
(2) Subsection (1)(h)(i) does not apply to a person to whom a
financial responsibility card has been issued pursuant to the
Insurance Act by an insurer who has issued an owner’s policy
outside Alberta.

The TSA says you must have a vehicle with valid registration. OP did not at the time. OP was in contradiction to the law above. after fined, there is a good chance OP will not forget to register his vehicle in the future. OP has learned what happens when law is not followed. pretty fucking straight forward.

Registration is part of the vehicle administration portion. it may not reflect OPs safety primarily, but say he hit and runs a pedestrian. Now the police can easily find the accused in this case, as it prompts everyone to keep records up to date. "cash grab" or not, its part of the PRIVILEGE to drive.

[Misterman]

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Yes but then you yourself then say there is no way a cop can tell if you’ve done your due diligence and is therefore justified giving you the ticket.

Am I not explaining the logical discontinuity well?

You say: “at some intersections it’s safe to do a rolling stop if you ensure it’s clear- if a cop gives you a ticket in those cases he’s an idiot jarhead”
You also say: “there is no way a cop can tell if you’ve done your due diligence and ensured the path is clear therefore it’s a logical conclusion to give you a ticket”

?????

Sounds like you ARE the logical discontinuity. lol. If you can't wrap your head around it it's not getting any simpler. Just forget the stop sign stuff. You're basically using it to deflect from the entire discussion anyway.

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Okay.



The TSA says you must have a vehicle with valid registration. OP did not at the time. OP was in contradiction to the law above. after fined, there is a good chance OP will not forget to register his vehicle in the future. OP has learned what happens when law is not followed. pretty fucking straight forward.

Registration is part of the vehicle administration portion. it may not reflect OPs safety primarily, but say he hit and runs a pedestrian. Now the police can easily find the accused in this case, as it prompts everyone to keep records up to date. "cash grab" or not, its part of the PRIVILEGE to drive.

Ok so you've contradicted yourself and we are back to square one.

[ShermanEF9]

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Ok so you've contradicted yourself and we are back to square one.

Care to elaborate? You've said this a lot but never actually shown it.

[Misterman]

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Care to elaborate? You've said this a lot but never actually shown it.

Traffic enforcement primary function is for safety. Yes or NO?? If you say no, then fine we can agree to disagree. If you say yes, then answer the question...........

What is the safety lesson to be learned from a 300$ registration ticket?? If your answer is "Because it's the law" That's not an answer so refer back to question 1.

[ShermanEF9]

I am curious as to where i ever referenced it to be a safety lesson? I referred to it as a teaching tool. the TSA states (as i have quoted) a vehicle MUST be registered to be considered roadworthy. OP contradicted this law. as a teaching tool, OP was given a fine. (OP could have very easily had his car impounded and other potential fines levied, so he got off lucky.) please show me where i stated it was a safety lesson. A stop sign is a stop sign. that law is absolutely about safety. Administration is a part of the TSA. The document AS A WHOLE is about safety. I am not sure how you can argue that it is not.

[J-hop]

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Sounds like you ARE the logical discontinuity. lol. If you can't wrap your head around it it's not getting any simpler. Just forget the stop sign stuff. You're basically using it to deflect from the entire discussion anyway.

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Ok so you've contradicted yourself and we are back to square one.

Man go back and read your two statements a few times back to back. That’s all I can say at this point.

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[Misterman]

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Man go back and read your two statements a few times back to back. That’s all I can say at this point.

I think the legal cannabis is a little strong tonight bud. Oh well, good chat.

[Misterman]

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Registration is a way to cut down on unsafe vehicles. Vehicles branded as “Salvage” or as “Unsafe” can’t be registered, and therefore can be taken off the road more easily and permanently. If nobody registered their vehicles you’d have a heck of a lot more junk on the road to worry about. Being able to renew your licence or registration also means your unpaid fines need to be taken care of, so the idiot with 4K in unpaid fines can be taken off the road easier as that person wouldn’t be able to renew their licence or register their car if they can’t afford to drive.

Pretty easy to wrap your head around that concept but it doesn’t shock me that you can’t.

Well then it should be pretty easy to wrap your head around the fact that a cop can see your status when he checks your papers, and see whether you've just outright avoided registration or simply lapsed. Therefore he can make a simple decision on the spot as to whether a fine would be necessary because a lesson needs to be taught, or if a warning would suffice since the lapse was not intentional or with malice.

[ShermanEF9]

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Well then it should be pretty easy to wrap your head around the fact that a cop can see your status when he checks your papers, and see whether you've just outright avoided registration or simply lapsed. Therefore he can make a simple decision on the spot as to whether a fine would be necessary because a lesson needs to be taught, or if a warning would suffice since the lapse was not intentional or with malice.

You mean the same discretion the officer took when he gave a small and reasonable fine, and didn't tow OPs car?

[J-hop]

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I think the legal cannabis is a little strong tonight bud. Oh well, good chat.

lol seriously man. I’ll try one last time

You first say in some situations it’s safe to roll a stop sign if you have ensured the coast is clear a cop that gives you a ticket when you’ve ensured the coast is clear is an idiot jarhead.

Then you say a cop has no way to tell that you’ve ensured the coast is clear therefore is justified in giving you a ticket


Now what I think you may now have switched to is “a cop shouldn’t give you a ticket if the coast is clear and it’s safe- no harm no foul”, but in your second response the issue you highlight is not that the coast is clear but rather that the driver ensured the coast is clear. Therefore for that reason a cop is justified because the ticket is not predicated on only the coast being clear but also the driver ensuring the coast is clear which as you yourself stated the cop can’t confirm

[Misterman]

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I am curious as to where i ever referenced it to be a safety lesson? I referred to it as a teaching tool. the TSA states (as i have quoted) a vehicle MUST be registered to be considered roadworthy. OP contradicted this law. as a teaching tool, OP was given a fine. (OP could have very easily had his car impounded and other potential fines levied, so he got off lucky.) please show me where i stated it was a safety lesson. A stop sign is a stop sign. that law is absolutely about safety. Administration is a part of the TSA. The document AS A WHOLE is about safety. I am not sure how you can argue that it is not.

You said traffic fines are to teach a lesson.

Then you agreed on this.

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Traffic enforcement is absolutely based on safety.

So make up your mind.

[ShermanEF9]

Those don't contradict.
in case you've forgotten what contradiction is, I will post the definition below.


con·tra·dic·tion
/ˌkäntrəˈdikSH(ə)n/Submit
noun
noun: contradiction; plural noun: contradictions
a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another.
"the proposed new system suffers from a set of internal contradictions"
a person, thing, or situation in which inconsistent elements are present.
"the paradox of using force to overcome force is a real contradiction"
the statement of a position opposite to one already made.
"the second sentence appears to be in flat contradiction of the first"
synonyms: denial, refutation, rebuttal, countering, counterstatement, opposite; More
antonyms: confirmation, reaffirmation
Phrases
contradiction in terms — a statement or group of words associating objects or ideas that are incompatible.
"“true fiction” is a contradiction in terms"

[Misterman]

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lol seriously man. I’ll try one last time

You first say in some situations it’s safe to roll a stop sign if you have ensured the coast is clear a cop that gives you a ticket when you’ve ensured the coast is clear is an idiot jarhead.

Then you say a cop has no way to tell that you’ve ensured the coast is clear therefore is justified in giving you a ticket


Now what I think you may now have switched to is “a cop shouldn’t give you a ticket if the coast is clear and it’s safe- no harm no foul”, but in your second response the issue you highlight is not that the coast is clear but rather that the driver ensured the coast is clear. Therefore for that reason a cop is justified because the ticket is not predicated on only the coast being clear but also the driver ensuring the coast is clear which as you yourself stated the cop can’t confirm

Don't hurt yourself. lol.

I didn't switch anything. I'm sorry if you were confused, but I've done more than enough to get you past that, you're still trying to ignore and go back to original misunderstood wording. Take care.

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[Misterman]

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Those don't contradict.
in case you've forgotten what contradiction is, I will post the definition below.


con·tra·dic·tion
/ˌkäntrəˈdikSH(ə)n/Submit
noun
noun: contradiction; plural noun: contradictions
a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another.
"the proposed new system suffers from a set of internal contradictions"
a person, thing, or situation in which inconsistent elements are present.
"the paradox of using force to overcome force is a real contradiction"
the statement of a position opposite to one already made.
"the second sentence appears to be in flat contradiction of the first"
synonyms: denial, refutation, rebuttal, countering, counterstatement, opposite; More
antonyms: confirmation, reaffirmation
Phrases
contradiction in terms — a statement or group of words associating objects or ideas that are incompatible.
"“true fiction” is a contradiction in terms"

Rather dense one aren't you. If traffic enforcement is a function of traffic safety, then what other lesson would there be to learn from the enforcement but a safety one? If you want to change your stance now that's fine, like I said, we can just agree to disagree.

[J-hop]

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Don't hurt yourself. lol.

I didn't switch anything. I'm sorry if you were confused, but I've done more than enough to get you past that, you're still trying to ignore and go back to original misunderstood wording. Take care.

....Well I gauruntee I’m not the only one that sees this discontinuity in your logic. It’s pretty cut and dry

You have not been able to explain your two comments without contradicting your logic, it seems to be a repeat pattern

[Misterman]

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And that exact situation happens every day with discretion invloved just as you stated. You have argued what the point is of paying registration multiple times in this thread and I told you why.

I briefly mentioned registration. Not even remotely the conversation that is currently going on right now.