RMWB supports motion ending work camps; will draw up bylaw next.

[lasimmon]

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I'm sure glad that Horizon is outside the radius, don't even have to worry. That would be a fucking nightmare making that commute every morning. <5 mins from camp to office booom.

From an updated article:

Oilsands camp moratorium numbers

65 camps/ project accommodations operate within 75 kilometres of Fort McMurray.
Camps have a capacity of 44,946 beds.
According to the 2018 Wood Buffalo municipal census, 27,256 workers live within 70 kilometres of Fort McMurray.

Oilsands sites within camp moratorium

Suncor Energy (Base Mine, Millenium, North Steepbank, McKay River)
Canadian Natural Resources Limited (Athabasca Oil Sands Project (Muskeg River & Jackpine), Horizon)
Syncrude (Mildred Lake, Aurora North)
Imperial Oil (Kearl)
Husky Energy (Sunrise)
PetroChina (McKay River)
Sunshine Oilsands (West Ells)
Athabasca Oil Corporation (Hangingstone)
Japan Canada Oil Sands (Hangingstone)
Nexen Energy (Long Lake)
ConocoPhillips (Surmont)

[Tik-Tok]

This is the most idiotic thing I've heard of from up there. Imagine 20,000+ extra vehicles suddenly being thrown onto Deerfoot every rushhour.

[Misterman]

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From an updated article:

Oilsands camp moratorium numbers

65 camps/ project accommodations operate within 75 kilometres of Fort McMurray.
Camps have a capacity of 44,946 beds.
According to the 2018 Wood Buffalo municipal census, 27,256 workers live within 70 kilometres of Fort McMurray.

Oilsands sites within camp moratorium

Suncor Energy (Base Mine, Millenium, North Steepbank, McKay River)
Canadian Natural Resources Limited (Athabasca Oil Sands Project (Muskeg River & Jackpine), Horizon)
Syncrude (Mildred Lake, Aurora North)
Imperial Oil (Kearl)
Husky Energy (Sunrise)
PetroChina (McKay River)
Sunshine Oilsands (West Ells)
Athabasca Oil Corporation (Hangingstone)
Japan Canada Oil Sands (Hangingstone)
Nexen Energy (Long Lake)
ConocoPhillips (Surmont)

Wow! Looks like damn near everyone except Fort Hills.

[mrsingh]

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Wow! Looks like damn near everyone except Fort Hills.

Looks like Suncor's Firebag isn't on the list either. I wonder if Imperial's new Aspen project will be out of the range too?

[Misterman]

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Looks like Suncor's Firebag isn't on the list either. I wonder if Imperial's new Aspen project will be out of the range too?

I actually just checked back to see if Firebag was there. Forgot about them. And Japan Oil is now Greenfire, not that it matters much. But they are affected too.

You'd imagine these companies are going to fight back on this. Maybe try and reach some type of compromise, where they will fly in to Mcmurray airport so the city can charge them all the tax on that, then bus employees out to camp from there.

In the long run this must save companies money if they shut down camp, renting jets isn't cheap. They will definitely have to go back to offering big retention bonuses and paying LOA, but I'd imagine those costs still pale in comparison to the cost of FIFO.

[mrsingh]

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You'd imagine these companies are going to fight back on this. Maybe try and reach some type of compromise, where they will fly in to Mcmurray airport so the city can charge them all the tax on that, then bus employees out to camp from there.

The funny part of all this is that one of the reasons a lot of these companies built airstrips, is because in the busy years the municipality complained about all the traffic coming in from the south of town, and clogging up 63 as it crossed the river and heading up north to the sites.

[Misterman]

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The funny part of all this is that one of the reasons a lot of these companies built airstrips, is because in the busy years the municipality complained about all the traffic coming in from the south of town, and clogging up 63 as it crossed the river and heading up north to the sites.

Also I don't recall the airport expansion being done back then. It was already handling more than double it's original engineered capacity.

[never]

I’m surprised they haven’t gotten backlash yet from the nations, particularly Fort McKay, about highway traffic impacts. Most of the intersections farther north on HWY are already beyond capacity.

[16hypen3sp]

Now that we can see which sites are affected, I wonder how many angry emails HR is getting today. Or the RMWB. Or the provincial government.

I saw one guy write on facebook that this is against his Charter mobility right. I dunno about that but being forced to move by a municipality seems pretty fucked. (If you want to keep your job.)

[Misterman]

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Now that we can see which sites are affected, I wonder how many angry emails HR is getting today. Or the RMWB. Or the provincial government.

I saw one guy write on facebook that this is against his Charter mobility right. I dunno about that but being forced to move by a municipality seems pretty fucked. (If you want to keep your job.)

I saw the petition going around about the freedom of mobility. Obviously no leg to stand on there, nobody is forcing anyone to stay at those jobs. But definitely fucked up. I feel sorry for the guys that found a way to make their escape from Fort Mac by getting a camp job, and now they may have to go back to room renting and driving suicide 63 regularly. I feel even worse for the people at Albian, who had their whole site get flipped to a camp position through no choice of their own, and now find out they have to go back to being local through no choice of their own either.

I suppose in this day and age everyone should just be happy to have a job at all, won't be many left in 20 more years.

I can't wait to see the drama when they start linking hwy63 traffic deaths as blood on the Municipalities hands for creating the epic fuck up that is going to occur on that highway again.

[16hypen3sp]

Yah I dunno. I still can't see this happening. Many millions of dollars of camp infrastructure spent because the RMWB told them to do it. Now this?

If I were one of those sites, I'd just keep operating the camp. fuck the bylaw!

[16hypen3sp]

Lol... Notley supports it! What a dolt.

Notley supports a community's right to impose a moratorium, she said in response to a question, but hopes the municipality fully understands what it's doing.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...rium-1.4999797

[HiTempguy1]

What's really ridiculous is they don't understand how far these drives are. To get to KEARL site proper is almost 2 hours from the YMM airport (if driving the speed limit, last time I did it, the main gravel road was 70km/h max).

I would expect lawsuits, I can't possibly imagine how council can do this. It would probably be cheaper for the oil companies to just move the camps further up the road for sites like CNRL/KEARL/FortHills.

[ExtraSlow]

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Lol... Notley supports it! What a dolt.

Notley supports a community's right to impose a moratorium, she said in response to a question, but hopes the municipality fully understands what it's doing.

Well, I'm no fan of Notley, but she agrees that they have jurisdiction over this issue, while she (Notley) has none. So, it would be pretty inappropriate for her to do anything other than support their rights to make these choices.

[Tik-Tok]

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Lol... Notley supports it! What a dolt.

Notley supports a community's right to impose a moratorium, she said in response to a question, but hopes the municipality fully understands what it's doing.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...rium-1.4999797

Not really. It's about the same as her saying she supports your right to get black out drunk, but hopes you know what you're doing.

[Darkane]

JACOS is operating their 30k plant just 4km south of the Pilot plant. Greenfire is running the pilot only.

They’re both using Sandtiger I’m assuming which would close.

[16hypen3sp]

FIFO position paper by OSCA.

http://www.oscaalberta.ca/wp-content...n-the-RMWB.pdf

[Misterman]

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JACOS is operating their 30k plant just 4km south of the Pilot plant. Greenfire is running the pilot only.

They’re both using Sandtiger I’m assuming which would close.

Good to know. It was sounding from the guys that work at Greenfire that they were handling the entire JACOS site. According to them, they have moved from that Civeo camp at Mariana to their own private camp now.

[stealth]

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Conoco camp isn't dry.

It's dry.

[16hypen3sp]

The saga continues...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...amps-1.5137994