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    Default What could I get used between 20-30G? Sports sedan-wise?

    Looking for suggestions. I want to replace my GLK and 370z combo this summer with one year round car... my budget is low 20s but might go as high as high 20s for the right vehicle.

    Just started my search but the 2013ish 335xi's have caught my eye. They look great and they are fast, M3 fast. I'd really miss driving a manual but I think it would be smart to get 8 speed auto as I'd be taking it camping and my wife would drive it in these road trips too.

    I don't much about BMWs but is this a good car? Have they had any problems with it? I've read to stay away from the 328s of the same year and briefly read about problems with the auto tranny which might make me lean more towards a manual.

    Any other suggestions? Not too into the look of the Audi S4s. I like Infiniti Q50s but slower and a little too big for my tastes. Anything else? How's the Mercedes C300? C400 if I can find a higher km one?

    I absolutely hate the look of the Acura TLs and anything Honda. No Subarus either.

    Basically I want awd, fast, and reliable and under 30.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 370Z View Post
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    Basically I want awd, fast, and reliable and under 30.
    Good one

    I wouldn't buy a 335xi off warranty, and also wouldn't expect it to be "M3 fast" unless it's got a JB4 or something (in which case, I really wouldn't want to own it off warranty).

    You should think about a golf R. Not incredibly fast, but meets the criteria more or less. Or save your pennies and you can look at a Civic Type R (not AWD but apparently incredible). If you want to stretch and risk the head gasket, you could also think about the Focus RS.

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    Oh ya, forgot about those Golf Rs... but they are still in the 30s used.

    When I say M3 fast, I meant it's old M3 fast lol

    I would rather take the bus than be seen in a Civic Type R.

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    Only answer is a v6-6

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    Quote Originally Posted by 370Z View Post
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    I would rather take the bus than be seen in a Civic Type R.
    well you're in luck, cause you wont be able to buy a CTR on that budget lol...

    anyways back on topic, when you say old M3 fast which M3 is that? cause anything German in that price range is going to be a risk in terms of reliability and anything japanese is slow.

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    I am very partial to the F30 328i. Unreal efficiency, enough power for city driving, and low-20s will get you a low km car.

    Problem is... everyone has one these days...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 370Z View Post
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    Basically I want awd, fast, and reliable and under 30.
    2012-2015 Audi S4 /thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterman View Post
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    2012-2015 Audi S4 /thread
    You forgot to strike out reliable though...

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    I vote 335xi for what it's worth. Love the motor. If you are looking for a sport sedan in that price range, I think every car has potential expensive repairs. Especially anything German.

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    Or you could give up the brand whoring and get a brand new Korean car that is awd and reliable for that price.
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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by colinxx235 View Post
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    You forgot to strike out reliable though...
    It's the most reliable car that fits the category. What part is specifically unreliable about them?

    inb4#durrgerman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterman View Post
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    It's the most reliable car that fits the category. What part is specifically unreliable about them?

    inb4#durrgerman
    I would suggest getting at 2013 or newer as they updated the DSG. Anything before that is a crap shoot with that trans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterman View Post
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    It's the most reliable car that fits the category. What part is specifically unreliable about them?

    inb4#durrgerman
    Long story short, DSG and sport diff are problem areas (and those are the two items that really make the car fun).

    Colin owned one though, I'm sure he'll go on about his issues in a little more detail. haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarphreak View Post
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    Used S4 would probably do the trick (if you can get over the looks I guess, haha). I think they look nice though

    https://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/Audi/S4...clk=1&showVs=1
    That car is beat to shit exterior wise hence the price. Came across that car a few weeks ago when I was looking for a car with the same category as the OP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterman View Post
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    It's the most reliable car that fits the category. What part is specifically unreliable about them?

    inb4#durrgerman

    The B8 S4 are definitely more reliable than the previous gens.



    At OP, if you're pretty strict on your budget and looking for a Golf R then you'll only be able to get a MK6 under $30k.
    There are some MK7 (2016) on sale around town at $ 33k.
    I was in the same boat as you a couple of weeks ago.
    During my search when I was looking for a replacement to my MK6 Golf R I narrowed it down to a B8 S4 or another Golf R.
    I decided to up my budget and got an MK7 Golf R.
    I also looked at a WRX, STI, TLX. Never bothered with the IS or the Q50 since I'm not a huge fan of the looks.

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    Used German vehicle off warranty....

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    S4 is the the easy choice in this price range IMHO. If you're at all worried about reliability get one with the 6MT and DO NOT buy a leaseback. Leased performance cars in particular get absolutely bagged. Find a good private sale sample. Even the DSG was fine post 2013. Keep in mind that people are 100X more vocal about problems and horror stories than happy owners, and it's no different than anything else you buy at the end of the day in the same general category - if it's a good sample and well taken care of it should have no problems. There's always a risk especially with used.

    I owned 2 S4's over ~10 years including a B5 (notoriously 'unreliable' and chipped from day one, sold at 140,000km) and literally had zero problems over that entire period with either car, daily driving them year round. Changed oil & did scheduled maintenance, that was it. If either car was beat on all the time or had a rough life that might have been different, but that goes for any car.

    You could also get a 335i, G37x, 535i, 550i, etc. in that price range. And you can chip all these cars (except the G37) for great performance gains now that they're off warranty.

    My dad recently sold his 2004 545i, again no problems since day one - oil changes and scheduled/routine maintenance, that's it. 15 years of perfect reliability. Replaced it with an Audi A6 3.0T that in 3 years so far has also had zero issues.

    You need to be patient if you're looking for cars like this - a lot of them are bagged or leasebacks, and finding a good sample is key to it's long term reliability.

    I can only speak for my experience though, YMMV.
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    Might be a little tough to find but what about a IS350 F-Sport AWD? You're basically limited to a 2014/2015 and you'll be at the higher end of your budget.

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    I've been driving a B8.5 S4 daily for a couple years now. It's off warranty now I've had to replace a wheel bearing, which was within the warranty period, but not covered by the warranty. Otherwise it's dead reliable. The DSG is ok, I don't really like arguing with it about what to do, but it does shift fast. German cars have a bad reputation off warranty, that I think is mostly perpetuated by internet memes. Almost every car I've owned is German and off warranty, and for the most part have been very dependable.

    The S4 looks good, is quiet, fast and has lots of straight line grip. It's not a well balanced sports car, but it does it's job pretty well.

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    I agree that the reliability is tied to model and previous owner/maintenance. I've had two off warranty E92 M3's and they were very reliable. It's very boring but if you are worried about reliability, spend $25K on the car and have $5K set aside for maintenance/repair.

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