Liberal Scandals Piling up

[ExtraSlow]

Serious question, do average voters in Ontario see these as big scandals? Us Albertans are primed to be outraged, but what do the voters that matter think?

[killramos]

People in Ontario think?

[Buster]

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Harper?

He learned the hard way.

[Maxt]

Just speculation on my part but I am going to guess that the pmo put this snc deal together and asked JWR to make it happen through the AG office to give Socks Mcfuckface some political room for denial should it come out, and she refused to be the patsy.

[HiTempguy1]

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Serious question, do average voters in Ontario see these as big scandals?

Doubtful, Wynne was worse than Notley and she was in power for what? A decade +? Even with all the scandals and fraud and flagrant spending insanity?

Of course, they did vote Ford in, so you never know.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Doubtful, Wynne was worse than Notley and she was in power for what? A decade +? Even with all the scandals and fraud and flagrant spending insanity?

Of course, they did vote Ford in, so you never know.

This is the vicious pendulum cycle that the US is in and now Ontario and likely Alberta will join. Radical shifts from far left to far right until people tire of that and suddenly a Centrist party sizes a massive majority. I'm guessing that will be in 2027.

[AndyL]

I'm going to ask a ridiculous question.

I know a lot of us identify as libertarian more than all else... At what point do we actually start engaging in actual support the libertarian party of Canada, or Alberta?

Both exist, both will be running in provincial and federal elections - yet we never talk about them. Or support them or do anything really...

[kertejud2]

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Serious question, do average voters in Ontario see these as big scandals? Us Albertans are primed to be outraged, but what do the voters that matter think?

What does Ontario get out of it if they change loyalties because of this scandal? What can they get if they don’t?

They live in a never ending world of government scandal from every level, what makes this one special? What’s it costing them and what will the other guys do to make Ontario benefit if they change loyalty? Treat some Toronto companies the same way the Libs have been dealing with SNC? Give the auto-sector some incentives? Or can the CPC convince people there’s enough here to take a principled stand?

But there also isn’t really an average Ontario voter. Red Tories, Champagne socialists, Progressive Conservatives...there’s nothing average about the place.

[kertejud2]

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I'm going to ask a ridiculous question.

I know a lot of us identify as libertarian more than all else... At what point do we actually start engaging in actual support the libertarian party of Canada, or Alberta?

Both exist, both will be running in provincial and federal elections - yet we never talk about them. Or support them or do anything really...

If you want pipelines built, the Libertarian Party platform will absolutely destroy any chance of that happening with their ‘polluters pay’ litigation, property rights, repeal of expropriation, and indigenous people’s policy platforms. It’s a surprisingly anti-industry platform they way they’ve laid out the desired property rights.

Toss in most of their platform being completely untenable without Constitutional changes they wouldn’t be able to do and it’s pretty much a complete waste of time to support them unless your primary goal in life is to own more guns.

[Misterman]

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Serious question, do average voters in Ontario see these as big scandals? Us Albertans are primed to be outraged, but what do the voters that matter think?

This is why I don't think the Libs can get in again. Unless attitudes have changed in Ontario big time. They already went blue Provincially, telling us that they are sick of the over spending. And the last time the Libs got voted out federally it was because of 1 billion dollars waste on the gun registry, and a few bucks on the Adscam scandal. If a billion bucks sent Ontario over the edge last time, how could they possibly rectify the 60 billion this time around?

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If you want pipelines built, the Libertarian Party platform will absolutely destroy any chance of that happening with their ‘polluters pay’ litigation, property rights, repeal of expropriation, and indigenous people’s policy platforms. It’s a surprisingly anti-industry platform they way they’ve laid out the desired property rights.

Toss in most of their platform being completely untenable without Constitutional changes they wouldn’t be able to do and it’s pretty much a complete waste of time to support them unless your primary goal in life is to own more guns.

Where are you getting this information from? Asking honestly, not arguing. None of it jives with anything they say, but I know politicians lie constantly on both sides. Is there a secret hidden party agenda that is not Libertarian in any way shape or form?

[HiTempguy1]

Kert operates in his own world of facts and information when it comes to politics.

I find his lack of understanding of any subject beyond his wild imagination to be worse than ZenOps by far. I think he is involved with the NDP, or at least in some level of government.

[Brent.ff]

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Just speculation on my part but I am going to guess that the pmo put this snc deal together and asked JWR to make it happen through the AG office to give Socks Mcfuckface some political room for denial should it come out, and she refused to be the patsy.

The refusing to say anything, then resigning.. she's absolutely sticking it to them now, it's hilarious to watch. As they say about a woman scorned... Can only imagine the shit going on behind the scenes as that was one hell of fuck you.

[Maxt]

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The refusing to say anything, then resigning.. she's absolutely sticking it to them now, it's hilarious to watch. As they say about a woman scorned... Can only imagine the shit going on behind the scenes as that was one hell of fuck you.

To be honest, JWC's credibility on the issue of justice being free from political interference is a little thin because of her(and Trudeau's) comments on the Colton Boushie verdict. She didn't step and change the verdict, but her commentary on the outcome definitely showed she allowed politics into her thoughts as AG. I can't say that was an indicator to the PMO that she was influenceable, because I don't think the PMO has that kind of mental awareness, and Trudeau engaged in the same behaviour publicly,neither probably understood at that time what they were doing.
But the PMO likely is asking for absolute operational devotion from cabinet ministers in terms of carrying the party line no matter what, and with all the crap Trudeau has been standing and preaching in the HoC for 3 years, this was likely just too much. You can see it on their faces for the last 6 months on parliamentary video clips, even backbenchers have either grimaced faces or a look of incredulity when he spoke for the party. The Liberals have been running on this idea that you can do whatever you want as ruling party, and just stick Justin out there to flick his hair and wave his wang at the media, and they will gobble up his feel good sjw platitudes that sound so syrupy and sweet. That wore thin after year one, and he became that pancake that has so much syrup on it, its inedible.
2-3 weeks ago there was a weird thread on twitter out of nowhere on who should take Trudeau's place before the next election, Freelands name was put up, and some were openly promoting it as a real upcoming situation, this has been boiling in the backrooms for awhile. I was wondering what could be in the works that Liberals were questioning his future as leader, it turned to be a bigger issue than I thought it would it be.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ott...nada-the-show/

Hell of a piece from Paul Wells - not usually a Macleans fan but it's a great read.

[kertejud2]

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Where are you getting this information from? Asking honestly, not arguing. None of it jives with anything they say, but I know politicians lie constantly on both sides. Is there a secret hidden party agenda that is not Libertarian in any way shape or form?

-Encourage a system whereby harm and property damage as a result of pollution can be dealt with through the judicial system

-Remove eminent domain legislation by repealing the Expropriation Act

-Replace the Indian Act with a blanket guarantee of sovereignty for all indigenous groups.

-End all federal restrictions and obligations on indigenous territories

-Streamline the Land Claim process

This is from their platform posted on their website. Increased litigation power (remember it’s the judicial system that is stopping TMX right now), increased sovereignty for native lands, easier Land Claim process for native groups, the government can’t expropriate land...that isn’t good for pipelines.

[kertejud2]

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I find his lack of understanding of any subject beyond his wild imagination to be worse than ZenOps by far. I think he is involved with the NDP, or at least in some level of government.

You’ve supported the NDP more than I ever have or will. Glass houses and all that.

Haven’t you also been a public sector employee?

[Buster]

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https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ott...nada-the-show/

Hell of a piece from Paul Wells - not usually a Macleans fan but it's a great read.

That was great.

Canada fucking sucks. Can't wait to leave.

[lasimmon]

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That was great.

Canada fucking sucks. Can't wait to leave.

Don't let the door hit ya.

[msommers]

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https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ott...nada-the-show/

Hell of a piece from Paul Wells - not usually a Macleans fan but it's a great read.

Thanks for sharing.

[kertejud2]

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That was great.

Canada fucking sucks. Can't wait to leave.

There are many reasons Canada isn't any good, but if corporations lobbying government parties and officials for special treatment and making shady side-deals built into legislation is why you think a country sucks, you're going to be in for a hard dose of reality when you go anywhere else.