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    For those familiar with Mother Mopar and unusual decisions they made back in the day you probably know about swedging brake drums and left hand thread lugnuts.
    Basically the wheel hub and rotor are assembled and the lugs are squeezed together as one unit. So to do a brake job you need a special drill to machine off the flared end of the lug on order to replace the drum. You can try a BFH and bash them apart but if you are keeping the drums this can distort them. But if you get a wild idea about replacing the lugs with replacements (like eliminating the goofy left hand threaded ones) then you either press them out or drill them out.
    Resorted to drilling them out after trying to press out with a bench vise.....

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    Well the Valiant didnt make this years challenge. We simply had too much to do and too much missing and in need of replacement to make it in time. So a car change at the last minute and a team name change to Plan B.
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    I think there was a Beyonder or two in this years challenge as well.

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    I was in the Danger Zone Ramcharger. I was looking for the Valiant and assumed you guys didn’t make it, didn’t realize you were in the Plan B haha.

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    My buddies had the big blue Lincoln with an N.O.S. fogger system plumbed into the air cleaner, a generator on the roof and a hot dog cooker in the back seat. Apparently the hot dogs didn't sell to well.
    I like neat cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90_Shelby View Post
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    My buddies had the big blue Lincoln with an N.O.S. fogger system plumbed into the air cleaner, a generator on the roof and a hot dog cooker in the back seat. Apparently the hot dogs didn't sell to well.
    Haha didn’t realize they had a hot dog cooker and a NOS fogger. My personal favourite were the dudes dressed up like Ricky and Julian, too bad they didn’t remove their door. So many teams it was hard to keep track of everyone.

    Is the plan to run the Valiant next year? Our team needs a far shittier vehicle for 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianmcc View Post
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    For those familiar with Mother Mopar and unusual decisions they made back in the day you probably know about swedging brake drums and left hand thread lugnuts.
    Basically the wheel hub and rotor are assembled and the lugs are squeezed together as one unit. So to do a brake job you need a special drill to machine off the flared end of the lug on order to replace the drum. You can try a BFH and bash them apart but if you are keeping the drums this can distort them. But if you get a wild idea about replacing the lugs with replacements (like eliminating the goofy left hand threaded ones) then you either press them out or drill them out.
    Resorted to drilling them out after trying to press out with a bench vise.....
    Holy fuck are swaged lugs ever a pain in the dick. Sometimes you can get away with using a small holesaw (~3/4" IIRC) instead of the special drill to remove the swages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo View Post
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    Is the plan to run the Valiant next year? Our team needs a far shittier vehicle for 2020.
    Yes-once we get it running there are bonus points for running in events like autocross and ice racing. On the menu.

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    Holy fuck are swaged lugs ever a pain in the dick. Sometimes you can get away with using a small holesaw (~3/4" IIRC) instead of the special drill to remove the swages.
    What we did was on the front hub/rotor assembly I used a large bit in a drill press from the back side. That gave the swedge a place to collapse into when driving it out.
    The rears we just pounded through but to match the front we drilled 9/16" holes by hand (wasting four drill bits in the process) then pulled the larger lugs through with a stack of washers and a lug nut flipped upside down.

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    It was a shit ton of work that we ultimately weren't able to find time to complete. Problem was too much time-we procrastinated for too long early in the build.
    Sucks but I think I have a killer idea for next year! And it's not the Valiant!

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    I'm too lazy to read, what the rules for the GBC?
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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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    https://greatbeaterchallenge.com/details/

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    TLDR buy a car for $700 or less-go on a rally/scavenger hunt and earn points.
    Win crappy prizes-drink beer and have fun with like minded crazies like us.

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    The crappy prizes and beer I knew about. But yeah, the $700 sounds very reasonable.
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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianmcc View Post
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    https://greatbeaterchallenge.com/details/

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    TLDR buy a car for $700 or less-go on a rally/scavenger hunt and earn points.
    Win crappy prizes-drink beer and have fun with like minded crazies like us.
    Looks like a lot of fun, but a lot of work too. Unless you really enjoy working on old POS cars
    I had a '65 Valiant and didn't put anywhere near that much work into it.

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    This thread is dangerous, I love shitboxes and am browsing kijiji now.

    Ooo, always wanted a Corvair

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    I'd be the guy driving the not actually interesting early 80's Lincoln and giggling all day like a madman.
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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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    I drove pig themed Toyota Tercel this year. This build reminds me of the '61 Pontiac we did last year. It was a lot of work and a time crunch. We actually drove it completely untested (I drove it for maybe 20 minutes) before heading out on the challenge. Blew the motor at the end.

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    Some more updated info on our Toad. Things have kinda ground to a halt a bit as the holidays are upon us.
    Earlier I had mentioned left handed threaded lugs and how Mother Mopar had swedged shit together.
    Well we used a drill press and a cordless Milwaukee and wasted a couple of 9/16" bits drilling out jugs and re-drilling all four wheels and brake drums.
    The original lugs are puny 7/16"x20 so we replaced them all with lugs and studs from the front wheels of a few PnP Calibers.
    All they cost us was a $2 donation to the Mustard Seed.
    Before...

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    After. Not only larger (M12x1.5) but longer as well.

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    Re-plumbed all the hard brake lines from the rear distribution block to the master cylinder. At that time we re-did all the brakes as well.
    What we started with...

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    Re-packed the old bearings at that time.

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    We ran into some wiring issues when upgrading the ignition system to an electronic distributor to the GM HEI. Turns out the original wiring diagram we were using was incorrect.
    Re-wired things and now we have spark. Looks like crap right now but we will clean it up later.

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    Replaced the original fuel filter with a Princess Auto special but unfortunately we can't get fuel from the pump to the accelerator pump. Will start and run on a splash down the throat but dies once it runs out of fuel.
    So we have a blockage somewhere. Maybe that Chinesuim filter...
    And since we all love power tools I picked up a cheap Porter Cable drill press. Much better than the toy Jobmate countertop unit.
    The old one...

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    New one...

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    (I guess my previous attempt failed to upload).
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    Got the ignition gremlins worked out but it sucks the carb dry and thus won't idle.
    Will get to that tomorrow.
    While the weather was crappy I went through the two driveshafts I had. Both are the old school ball and trunnion front joint which are a bear to repair if the rubber boot rips or cracks.

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    One of the two is intact soI will use that driveshaft. Just pulled the cover off and cleaned out as much old molasses as I could then re-filled it with fresh grease and re-attached the grease cover.
    The rear u-joint I decided to rebuild it in order to save $20 over the cost of a new one. Every nickle counts!
    What I was facing...

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    Pulled it out and removed the caps and seals...

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    They had dried up over the years and were beyond using. So blew it up and soaked in carb cleaner overnight and laid out the parts for re-building.

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    Ran the hard parts through the wire wheel, re-packed all 35 x 4 needle bearings and added new seals (actually o-rings-what the hell!) and re-assembled everything.

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    Ready to go back under the car!

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    That's impressive. I would need a lot of expletives to get through a job like that.
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