Plane Engines and the 737 MAX 8 Accidents

[benyl]

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Pretty irrelevant considering we have no shortage of planes lying around in this country.

I am sure that airlines would want to swap out 737-800 NGs they are using now for the MAX that is 15% better in fuel burn. They could do well to lose less money everyday by flying modern aircraft.

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It would actually be an ideal time to fly them to come out of mothballs. Aircraft break when they sit. They break a lot. Running them now would get the kinks out before flying becomes normal again.

There's 2,000 hours of work to bring them out of storage. They probably won't be ready to fly before TC approves them.

[killramos]

My guess is by keeping them banned Ottawa is hoping the airlines can squeeze some money back from Boeing rather than the federal government having to fork out the money to bail these loser airlines out.

[revelations]

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My guess is by keeping them banned Ottawa is hoping the airlines can squeeze some money back from Boeing rather than the federal government having to fork out the money to bail these loser airlines out.

The last thing I would call AirCanada is a loser airline. Since 2010 they have increased their operating revenue every year. Almost 20 billion in 2019.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...of-air-canada/

[killramos]

Being profitable is a low bar that AC has managed what? A third of its tenure?

It wouldn’t even be a thing if not for gov bailouts how many times.

Short memories around here.

[ExtraSlow]

it's a stonk now.

[benyl]

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Being profitable is a low bar that AC has managed what? A third of its tenure?

It wouldn’t even be a thing if not for gov bailouts how many times.

Short memories around here.

Really shouldn't paint a brush for the entire industry. Before they went private, WS was leading the entire industry with 80+ quarters of profitability over the last 25 years. Not sure why you need a bailout when you are profitable.

[revelations]

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Being profitable is a low bar that AC has managed what? A third of its tenure?

It wouldn’t even be a thing if not for gov bailouts how many times.

Short memories around here.

Last time (pre covid) that AC got money was in 2009. They got about 1 billion dollars, which represents about 5-10% of their annual operating budget.

[AndyL]

I'd fly on a max.
Course anything to get out of the house right now sounds good

[jutes]

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Aircraft break when they sit. They break a lot. Running them now would get the kinks out before flying becomes normal again.

No way, toss in some new batteries, make sure the pressures are normal and send it. Only real concern are leaks from dried out seals, but those won't pop up until after a few cycles. I've fired up jet aircraft that were sitting for over a year, not a single problem. Couple flights later half the hydraulic actuator system decides to puke its guts out and random software errors pop up. Majority of the MAX storage was down in the desert was it not? Dry heat shouldn't be a huge concern, but I wouldn't want to fly them out after a software update. I wonder what their procedure will be, test flight first then back to the Airlines? This goes for all the jets in the desert.

[phil98z24]

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No way, toss in some new batteries, make sure the pressures are normal and send it. Only real concern are leaks from dried out seals, but those won't pop up until after a few cycles. I've fired up jet aircraft that were sitting for over a year, not a single problem. Couple flights later half the hydraulic actuator system decides to puke its guts out and random software errors pop up. Majority of the MAX storage was down in the desert was it not? Dry heat shouldn't be a huge concern, but I wouldn't want to fly them out after a software update. I wonder what their procedure will be, test flight first then back to the Airlines? This goes for all the jets in the desert.

Airlines will be responsible for their own FAA mandated operational worthiness flights after software updates/sensor retrofit/wiring bundle fix has been done, which will then be approved again post flight. So I imagine it won’t be the usual out of storage procedure for 100s of frames sitting in dry storage out in the desert, but I’m thinking they will be issued transport exemption certs to fly them to facilities where they can have the appropriate work done, unless they are certain the software update can be done at a remote location and the rest later?

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No way, toss in some new batteries, make sure the pressures are normal and send it. Only real concern are leaks from dried out seals, but those won't pop up until after a few cycles. I've fired up jet aircraft that were sitting for over a year, not a single problem. Couple flights later half the hydraulic actuator system decides to puke its guts out and random software errors pop up. Majority of the MAX storage was down in the desert was it not? Dry heat shouldn't be a huge concern, but I wouldn't want to fly them out after a software update. I wonder what their procedure will be, test flight first then back to the Airlines? This goes for all the jets in the desert.

Animals love to find places to hide and even with covers, they can find and dig through. Desert area is certainly less of a problem than parking an A330 in the rain for 3 months (as Canada 3000 did in 2001 when they folded) - but time and nature will eventually win.

[Xtrema]

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Animals love to find places to hide and even with covers, they can find and dig through. Desert area is certainly less of a problem than parking an A330 in the rain for 3 months (as Canada 3000 did in 2001 when they folded) - but time and nature will eventually win.

So Desert Snake on a Plane is possible?

[killramos]

Transport Canada approves 737 Max for use. For what it matters these days.

[Sentry]

Covid was a Boeing conspiracy to buy them time to fix the Max 8

[ExtraSlow]

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Covid was a Boeing conspiracy to buy them time to fix the Max 8

Shrewd

[Xtrema]

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Transport Canada approves 737 Max for use. For what it matters these days.

Boeing Co is hiring up to 160 pilots to be embedded at airlines in its latest bid to ensure its 737 MAX has a smooth comeback after a 20-month safety ban, according to a recruitment document seen by Reuters and people familiar with the move.

The new “Global Engagement Pilots” will act as instructors or cockpit observers on 35-day assignments at an equivalent annual salary that could reach $200,000, for a total potential cost of $32 million, one of the people said.

https://www.flightglobal.com/airfram...141650.article

Good place to start. If you travel much, eventually you can't avoid a Max anyway. Not everyone is or can switch to A320 Neo. Ryan air just ordered another 75 Max.

[killramos]

Yes still a few steps before they are flying passengers again, but it’s back to the skies in principle.

Good thing there is no shortage of pilots twiddling their thumbs.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Imagine the deals some carriers like Ryanair must be getting on the MAX...for the companies that were going to buy them anyway, this must have them very happy.

[Xtrema]

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Imagine the deals some carriers like Ryanair must be getting on the MAX...for the companies that were going to buy them anyway, this must have them very happy.

Delta too which never had any Max in their fleet, smell blood.
https://www.aerotime.aero/26486-delt...jets-ceo-hints

Seems like 800 Max dropped off order list thanks to COVID

[AndyL]

And Air Canada had an emergency today repositioning in AZ, preemptive shut down non-event emergency landing in tulsa.

And the internet goes wild.