Plane Engines and the 737 MAX 8 Accidents

[Tik-Tok]

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Haha funny you say that. The maintenance on our caravans for all the systems we don’t use in the summer is stacking up lol.

Let me guess. The TKS system?

[Maxx Mazda]

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Let me guess. The TKS system?

Was gonna say either that or the boots. Back when I flew stuff with boots on it I’d try and cycle them at least once a day even in the summer on the advice of the fellas turning wrenches to keep everything from seizing up.

[95EagleAWD]

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Let me guess. The TKS system?

Ours are booted and the boots actually work just fine.

Prop heat, window de ice, stall heat... well they work now lol

[Lex350]

Not good news:

https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-s...37-max-return/

[ExtraSlow]

Yeah, if the systems are confusing the pilots so that they don't follow the checklists, then it's not really ready.

I don't know how they select or train these pilots for the testing, but I'd guess they are no worse trained than average commercial pilots in standard operation.

[95EagleAWD]

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Yeah, if the systems are confusing the pilots so that they don't follow the checklists, then it's not really ready.

I don't know how they select or train these pilots for the testing, but I'd guess they are no worse trained than average commercial pilots in standard operation.

I’d just assumed they’d pick a bunch of guys typed in the jet; it can’t be test pilots I would think. Gotta be line guys that would respond realistically.

Hopefully they’re throwing other failures at them too so they’re not expecting trim issues or something

[pheoxs]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/16/b...g-737-max.html

Boeing to Temporarily Shut Down 737 Max Production

Boeing said on Monday that it would stop making the 737 Max in January as it continues to grapple with fallout from two crashes that killed 346 people.

Boeing’s decision to temporarily halt production is likely to send shocks through the American economy. It will affect suppliers around the country and plunge the company deeper into crisis.

The 737 Max, which is produced in Boeing’s factory in Renton, Wash., is the company’s most important aircraft, representing tens of billions of dollars in annual sales. It has been grounded for nine months, since shortly after the second accident.

[Mitsu3000gt]

It was only a matter of time, I'm surprised it took them this long to be honest - they can't continually make planes and not deliver them so production had to pause at some point. I'm sure they have been planning this for a while now, just waiting until the last minute to announce.

[pheoxs]

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It was only a matter of time, I'm surprised it took them this long to be honest - they can't continually make planes and not deliver them so production had to pause at some point. I'm sure they have been planning this for a while now, just waiting until the last minute to announce.

Yeah, expected but still pretty big. I wonder what happens to all the workers. If they get shuffled to other plants or what.

[ExtraSlow]

layoffs baby.

[Mitsu3000gt]

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Yeah, expected but still pretty big. I wonder what happens to all the workers. If they get shuffled to other plants or what.

For sure. I read they will be doing everything possible to "minimize the impact to the workers", but I didn't see any detail beyond that. They're a business at the end of the day, so it probably doesn't bode too well for the employees. I'm guessing something along the lines of unpaid leave and then offered jobs back when the production resumes as a best case scenario.

[ExtraSlow]

Are those workers unionized? I'd guess the layoff provisions are crystal clear in their bargaining agreements

[benyl]

They basically ran out of parking space. I think they would otherwise have continued building them.

[ExtraSlow]

No money back from Ryanair if you try to cancel a flight due to aircraft type.

[95EagleAWD]

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No money back from Ryanair if you try to cancel a flight due to aircraft type.

No surprise but still. Kinda bullshit, especially if it’s still not safe.

[Tik-Tok]

Why would any airline?

[ExtraSlow]

It's safe when the corporation says it's safe.

[Team_Mclaren]

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No money back from Ryanair if you try to cancel a flight due to aircraft type.

Did you even read the article? here is the link:
https://www.thesun.ie/travel/4913213...t-be-refunded/

The Max isnt even flying at this time. That's such a misleading title.

[95EagleAWD]

Boeing fired their CEO today.

[revelations]

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No money back from Ryanair if you try to cancel a flight due to aircraft type.

Nothing wrong with that, after they are put back in service. They will be the most scrutinized commercial airliner in existence. The way airlines schedule their fleet means that unless you book the night before the flight, you wont know which ship you will end up on.

My theory on the delay: - they (FAA/Boeing) discovered a LOT more engineering and design fuckups that were hidden/brushed aside, and want to minimize any likelyhood of a crash/accident being blamed on the ship itself.

Prediction: I dont believe the MAX will fly until the fall. Even then, there will be a LOT of maintenance to do on ALL the 737s in the global fleet. The pickle fork and weak landing gear issues are just another case of corporate cheap out.

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Boeing fired their CEO today.

And their stock price jumped noticeably.