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    Default Demise of Infiniti / Nissan

    Saw this thread on CP talking about the demise of Nissan / Infiniti

    https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=173364

    Figured we might get a better discussion here based on membership.

    My favourite quote from that thread: Nissan is just Japan's Chrysler

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    Arrest of Ghosn means the Japanese now want to go at it alone.

    Ghosn cost cutting is ruining Nissan and especially for Infiniti. None of their product is inspiring or competitive any more. Infotainment for both brand is years behind others.

    Now with internal political/ownership issues, I am not sure they will survive for long. Especially everyone is getting ready for EVs, it's going to be tough if Nissan can actually divorce from Renault.

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    People said the same thing about Toyota. Boring products, not state of the art. You know what? Only we give a fuck about that shit. The buying public does not care whatsoever. They want a car that's cheap, durable, and reliable. Nissan has done a great job in making bland products. Infiniti isn't hitting all the marks there, but they got the cheap part right. I don't see their demise at all. Sales in 2018 was flat, but it was flat for everyone.

    Although with Ghosn's departure, I don't know if Nissan has what it takes to climb up in market share.
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    Exactly.
    They make most of their money on selling Nissan Rogue, Altima and Maxima. Not on the 5 guys on here who own GTR's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    People said the same thing about Toyota. Boring products, not state of the art. You know what? Only we give a fuck about that shit. The buying public does not care whatsoever. They want a car that's cheap, durable, and reliable. Nissan has done a great job in making bland products. Infiniti isn't hitting all the marks there, but they got the cheap part right. I don't see their demise at all. Sales in 2018 was flat, but it was flat for everyone.

    Although with Ghosn's departure, I don't know if Nissan has what it takes to climb up in market share.
    Agree. This reminds me of the best episode of Top Gear, ever where they have that French breakfast meeting at Peugeot and actively decide to start making terrible cars. Sales went through the roof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    You know what? Only we give a fuck about that shit. The buying public does not care whatsoever. They want a car that's cheap, durable, and reliable.
    You nailed it there. Even with myself, my 15 Tacoma hit 100k this winter so we were going to send it down to one of the crew and get me a new one and I thought, why? It's spartan and basic and I've spent 0 dollars on it over 4 years so fuck it, I'll put another 100 on it and just fix it as necessary which judging by a full checkout and fluid change will be very little in the foreseeable future.

    One of these days I'd still like a 911 Turbo but other than that, durable and plain is fine for me too.
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    Skimmed the CP thread, and yea, shitting on old interior tech. I hated it, but honestly it's simple and most people will get it. It works reliably, just no bells and whistles. If you look at the JD powers IQS rankings, Nissan is way up there because of their old tech. Majority of the initial quality complains are from the damn infotainment system that's overly complicated haha.

    You have a guy talking about his 2009 Maxima or whatever giving it a A rating for tech and everyone shitting on him because it doesn't have carplay. So few ppl care about that stuff in the grand scheme of things.

    This is the one big thing, probably biggest thing that I learned and really blew me away in my time as an auto blogger/wannabe journalist. I totally look at cars differently now, from my perspective, and from the average joe perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRSC00LUDE View Post
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    You nailed it there. Even with myself, my 15 Tacoma hit 100k this winter so we were going to send it down to one of the crew and get me a new one and I thought, why? It's spartan and basic and I've spent 0 dollars on it over 4 years so fuck it, I'll put another 100 on it and just fix it as necessary which judging by a full checkout and fluid change will be very little in the foreseeable future.
    Hell, my 2014 tacoma doesnt even have a outside thermometer (yeah..really)... coming up to 136k service, zero issues so far. Can't complain in the least

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    People said the same thing about Toyota. Boring products, not state of the art. You know what? Only we give a fuck about that shit. The buying public does not care whatsoever. They want a car that's cheap, durable, and reliable. Nissan has done a great job in making bland products. Infiniti isn't hitting all the marks there, but they got the cheap part right. I don't see their demise at all. Sales in 2018 was flat, but it was flat for everyone.

    Although with Ghosn's departure, I don't know if Nissan has what it takes to climb up in market share.
    However you missed a big one. People want something fuel efficient nowadays. Toyota excels at this, where Nissan completely shits the bed. The only cars of theirs that get reasonable gas mileage for todays day and age, are the ones that are extremely underpowered.

    And I would venture to say that people DO care about cars not being boring. That is why Toyota made an official announcement that they were going to stop making boring cars. I imagine it is starting to affect their sales numbers.

    As for reliability, they certainly aren't up to par in that aspect if it's the only thing they have going for them.

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    I definitely get selection paralysis because I've made a coupe of threads for vehicles like A5, Q50S, G37 and it's really interesting the diverse opinions I get.

    Ultimately, people should get whatever they want and they have to recognize that people give opinions relative to their past experiences. My first car was a 2007 Civic, then I moved to a 2012 Genesis Coupe, and back to a 2010 Civic. To me, a Q50S is an amazing car but someone who's afforded luxury vehicles for a long time would just see the Q50S as another choice in the lineup. They'll be able to pick apart things they like, focus on things they don't like, or overall just have their opinions and preferences on what makes a car suitable for themselves.

    I think that's pretty much how it goes with car review articles as well. Nevermind the potential bias and sponsorship from X manufacturer but these guys drive anywhere from $15k cars to $150k cars so perspective is not always consistent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterman View Post
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    However you missed a big one. People want something fuel efficient nowadays. Toyota excels at this, where Nissan completely shits the bed. The only cars of theirs that get reasonable gas mileage for todays day and age, are the ones that are extremely underpowered.
    Disagree. Only a small # people in NA care about fuel efficiency. For those that do, sure, Prius, and Tesla. In EU that's a totally different story. Our fuel efficiency is completely driven by regulatory standards, not the desire for fuel efficiency from the general buying public.

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    And I would venture to say that people DO care about cars not being boring. That is why Toyota made an official announcement that they were going to stop making boring cars. I imagine it is starting to affect their sales numbers.
    You grow being boring. For car people like us, Toyota is not stopping making boring cars. They're merely pretending not to be boring, like with the Camry. Looks fucking exciting, but yup, still drives like a Camry underneath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    Disagree. Only a small # people in NA care about fuel efficiency. For those that do, sure, Prius, and Tesla. In EU that's a totally different story. Our fuel efficiency is completely driven by regulatory standards, not the desire for fuel efficiency from the general buying public.


    You grow being boring. For car people like us, Toyota is not stopping making boring cars. They're merely pretending not to be boring, like with the Camry. Looks fucking exciting, but yup, still drives like a Camry underneath.

    Agree to disagree. I thought it was interesting when this thread came up though. I've been thinking for a long time how much I dislike Nissans now. Apparently I'm not alone. However, I got stuck with a Qashqai rental when my car was stolen. I wasn't impressed with the vehicle at first. But then I looked it up and saw that fully loaded out the door price with no haggling is 35 grand. For AWD, SUV, Leatherette heated seat interior, and all the options you'd expect in a modern vehicle. It was gutless, but I kept thinking how it would be an excellent Alberta year round vehicle if you were on a budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    You grow being boring. For car people like us, Toyota is not stopping making boring cars. They're merely pretending not to be boring, like with the Camry. Looks fucking exciting, but yup, still drives like a Camry underneath.
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    Demise? When have they ever been a top manufacturer? When you have been in perpetual mediocrity there's not far to go to get to the bottom. Sure they have sold a lot of SUV's and Altimas over the years but they have basically followed the late-90's Mitsubishi business model in the US of giving credit to anyone with a pulse to move cars and that's why their resale value is horrible. They are always at the bottom of customer satisfaction polls as their reliability is always in the range of below average and the materials they use make a Hyundai look expensive in comparison. They are always the first brand I cross off my list when vehicle shopping as I generally hate everything they offer outside the GTR and I'm only lukewarm on that car.

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    I love my Infiniti.

    It a 2013 EX37 has ALL the packes (TECH/JOURNEY/PREMIUM/NAVIGATION)

    "Technology Package adds Intelligent Brake Assist, Forward Collision Warning, Distance Control Assist, Lane Departure Warning, Lane Departure Prevention, Intelligent Cruise Control, and Blind Spot Warning. "

    I bought it certified pre owned, from Hyatt, in 2015. I thought for a 2013 the tech and features were pretty damn high tech.

    It's my daily and I have had zero issues. Rock solid reliable, and anytime I have passengers their first comment is "wow, really nice interior".

    Would buy again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msommers View Post
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    Like lipstick on a pig.

    Yes I own and love my Toyota.
    Yes. I love my Lexus which is a Toyota but I pretend it's baller lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by msommers View Post
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    Like lipstick on a pig.

    Yes I own and love my Toyota.
    Toyotas are for people that don't care about cars, tech, or having the most modern engine, transmission, etc but want something competent, reliable, with strong resale value. Nothing wrong with that. Nissan is for people that don't care about cars and hate themselves.

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    Nissan has by far the worst paint quality lately. The orange peel on a $75k Titan is insane, looks like a MAACO paintjob.

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    I love my Infiniti.
    When I had my G35, I enjoyed the heck out of it and gave me zero issue at all. Thing was a boat and a half in the corners though hahaha

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    Toyotas are for people that don't care about cars, tech, or having the most modern engine, transmission, etc but want something competent, reliable, with strong resale value.
    Nailed it dude and I have no shame in that. It was originally bought as a work vehicle and in the end, it needed to do a job without worrying about anything. Has performed flawlessly for almost 200K now. Well not flawless if I'm being honest, the 4HI sensor went and took me 5 minutes to swap out. I had put it up for sale at the end of the summer for something stupid expensive, still had a couple people come by and look at it. I'll drive this thing into the ground unless someone feels the need to overpay me for it.

    Toyota's motto should be "It Just Works"

    If I was looking for a fun car, it sure as hell wouldn't be a Toyota.
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    Never seen the appeal of any of them. Their heyday was well before my time.

    Having a Halo car like a GTR doesnt make your Altima any more exciting.

    Also. CVTs.
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