$5000 Federal EV rebate: Budget 2019

[Xtrema]

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As I mentioned before, they're just trying to find new ways to subsidize the Big 3 in Onterrible.

These are the only EV subsidized:

Base Bolt: $44,600
eGolf with tech/asst: $44,200
Base Leaf: $40,680

And I think that's it.

Kona/Niro both starts at $46K.

What's interesting is that up to $55K can be deductible if you write off an EV for business. So tax saving there could be way more than the $5K for consumers.

[davidI]

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These are the only EV subsidized:

Base Bolt: $44,600
eGolf with tech/asst: $44,200
Base Leaf: $40,680

And I think that's it.

Kona/Niro both starts at $46K.

What's interesting is that up to $55K can be deductible if you write off an EV for business. So tax saving there could be way more than the $5K for consumers.

Expect to see a Fiat 500e and Focus electric come in at under $45k. The Liberals don't do anything Lobbyists haven't asked for.

[Brent.ff]

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I don't understand how this is remotely enough C02 to matter.... all plants eventually die and rot, that is part of the natural life cycle

Most plants don't die in an anaerobic environment (e.g., the bottom of a reservoir), which creates methane, which is the main issue (did you read the article...)

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It isn't like you go to a lake made by a dam up and see methane bubbling to the surface en-mass... I call bull shit on this article

You're right, its not like it's boiling the surface. But it's 100% bubbling to the surface. Easier to see when the lake is frozen (see Abraham lake, upper and lower Kananaskis, etc etc. This is not uncommon).

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Back to EV. I'd probably look at one for my wife who is driving ~200-250 km a day, but when the range is right around that number, not sure we'd risk hwy 2 in winter on the hope and a prayer you're making it

[rage2]

You’re not going to come close in winter. You’re looking at a 25-30% range loss from running heat. 50% on a bad day.

[Brent.ff]

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You’re not going to come close in winter. You’re looking at a 25-30% range loss from running heat. 50% on a bad day.

brutal. good to know.

[ExtraSlow]

And it's a bigger problem "funning out of fuel" with an EV than an ICE. I don't mine pushing kms to empty display past zero in an ICE vehicle, but probably wouldn't in an EV.

My wife has been jealous of her buddy's Tesla, so she's looking to get some of those green feelings with her next car. She's talking about a hybrid now. Probably pretty sensible for her commuting.

[Xtrema]

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brutal. good to know.

This is why preheating is a thing with EV/PHEVs. So you preheat your car while on the plug so battery doesn't have to work as hard.

[Disoblige]

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This is why preheating is a thing with EV/PHEVs. So you preheat your car while on the plug so battery doesn't have to work as hard.

It would be pretty cool to own an EV where you can set it to preheat well before you head out and it's only using plug-in power. Always a warm cabin and potentially no snow/ice to scrape off windows!
I'd totally rock one for the winter for that capability assuming my daily commute isn't too far.

[rage2]

That pre heat helps but it’s the heater to keep the car warm that drains power like a motherfucker. Try turning off HVAC on a cold day and see how quickly it gets cold in your car.

Early Tesla Model S didn’t even have a strong enough heater. My first drive of one was a -10C day. 30 mins later still fucking shivering.

[Disoblige]

lol. Hmm but this idea of the pre-heat is interesting to me enough that it makes me want to buy a Model 3.

I really hope they're not sticking to the whole $45k limit thing, because a $5k incentive for Tesla may be enough for me to pull the trigger.

[Brent.ff]

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This is why preheating is a thing with EV/PHEVs. So you preheat your car while on the plug so battery doesn't have to work as hard.

That's fine for parking at home, at her office..not so much

[Xtrema]

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lol. Hmm but this idea of the pre-heat is interesting to me enough that it makes me want to buy a Model 3.

I really hope they're not sticking to the whole $45k limit thing, because a $5k incentive for Tesla may be enough for me to pull the trigger.

Wait a couple more year and see if Tesla will survive and see how Model 3 lasts into year 4.

Model 3 and Y doesn't have dedicated heater for battery so they run the rear drive unit to warm the coolant/battery. No idea what that will do to longevity.

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That's fine for parking at home, at her office..not so much

Pre-heating without plugging in will depends on how much juice you have left in the car. You can still do it but it will come at cost of range.

So if you buy a 200km eGolf, and have a 100km daily round trip, you can pretty much kiss preheating off plug goodbye.

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Expect to see a Fiat 500e and Focus electric come in at under $45k. The Liberals don't do anything Lobbyists haven't asked for.

Are these even available in Canada? I have only see used 500e's and I thought Fcous Electric is no more.

[rage2]

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Model 3 and Y doesn't have dedicated heater for battery so they run the rear drive unit to warm the coolant/battery. No idea what that will do to longevity.

A decent amount of complaints about it for Canadians. When the battery is cold it takes about an hour of highway driving to get up to temperatures, meaning it'll never get up to temperature in a typical commute. When it's cold, the driving experience completely changes, as there's no or very little regen. Efficiency also drops due to a lack of regen. When you hit a supercharger, it takes a long time to charge as well, charging at below level 2 speeds till it gets the temperatures up by holding car down with brake and running the motor.

[HiTempguy1]

Kona is $45,599 base msrp. I bet we see a $600 price drop. At $40k, according to my calculations, the Kona would fully pay the extra $20k vs the base non-electric Kona in 6 years for me.

And I would assume with it being electric, it would easily last 10 years. I would at most pay about $2 in electricity per day on my round trip work commute. And since I do plan on being back in the city at some point, theoretically the batteries can go longer. Tesla's batteries are supposed to be good until minimum 500k miles, and the highest mileage tesla P85 has 80% range at 420k miles. So even then it could be kept as a beater car.

This assumes average gas prices of $1.10/L, which I think is lowballing it. Payback would be even quicker if gas prices went up.

Interesting. Still a lot of cash upfront, but if 0% financing was available, I think it could make sense. Plus the convenience of not going to gas stations (I'm there every couple days now, drives me nuts).

Edit-
My numbers were off, I was using the 40mpg a new civic/my current civic gets (in nice warm summer weather with no idling to heat up).

If I use the 32mpg of the fwd kona, it's only 4.5 years. That means in 9 years, the electric Kona would completely pay for itself over the gas model (assuming $1.10 gas prices, which a decade from now will more than likely be higher even simply due to carbon tax).

[Disoblige]

What would be cool is having a small gas generator to alleviate these battery issues in cold weather instead of full EV.
Like a little 3000 W or less quiet generator that can be auto started and power your auxiliaries and heat. The thing doesn't need to be filled with gas for the car to operate, but just something extra for the cold months.

It would be a hybrid, except 95%+ of the power comes from electric.

[ExtraSlow]

It would take a long time to charge fully.

[rage2]

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What would be cool is having a small gas generator to alleviate these battery issues in cold weather instead of full EV.
Like a little 3000 W or less quiet generator that can be auto started and power your auxiliaries and heat. The thing doesn't need to be filled with gas for the car to operate, but just something extra for the cold months.

It would be a hybrid, except 95%+ of the power comes from electric.

You literally described the Chevy Volt and BMW i3 w/Range Extender. Their engines are not connected to the drivetrain at all.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

The Volt has always made the most sense to me as far as plug-in hybrids go, which of course means they're killing it off.

[Xtrema]

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The Volt has always made the most sense to me as far as plug-in hybrids go, which of course means they're killing it off.

Honda Clarity, if you can stand the look, is a better PHEV than Volt.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

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Honda Clarity, if you can stand the look

Sadly, I cannot. That thing is ghastly.