Alberta 2019 Provincial Election

[JRSC00LUDE]

All that banter about AHS and unions makes me miss codetrap. He'd set you guys straight on how that isn't waste.

[duaner]

“Notley had a choice. She could have taken action against the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.

Notley could have defended Alberta and, indeed, all of Canada. She didn’t.

Notley has rarely if ever mentioned the Rockefeller name in public even though it is their money, their campaign, that has sabotaged the backbone industry of Alberta’s economy.”

https://business.financialpost.com/o...landlocked-oil

[Sugarphreak]

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[JRSC00LUDE]

If you're against the Rockefellers, you're against Canada ending climate change. I'm not a climate change denier, are YOU. IT'S ALSO THE LEADING CAUSE OF REFUGEES DON'T YOU KNOW.

[codetrap]

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All that banter about AHS and unions makes me miss codetrap. He'd set you guys straight on how that isn't waste.

I will wander in occasionally. I would also like to point out that I never ever said there wasn't waste. There absolutely is.

However, I find it amusing when people just assume they can reduce the budge of AHS by 20% by finding management efficiencies. AHS spends 3.6% on administration. Translate that into staff, and there is 3.3% of the workforce are management. That's a management ratio of 1 manager to 30 staff. So, of the 102000 actual AHS employees, that's roughly 3200 managers. Since AHS has a budget of $14.7B. (not 21B like the news like to report), that 20% would account for $2.9B. If you think that shitcanning 3.3% of the staff will save you almost $3B, then you're just stupid.

So, since about 55% of the budget is nurses... who ARE unionized, there's fuck all you can do. The PC gov'ts signed those union agreements that allow the waste to happen, and nobody has the power or the will to change it. If you think you can go and cut out Nurses.. then go for it. When they strike en masse and people start to die then well.. too bad I guess? When you add in what AHS pays to Covenant (on top of what GoA pays them directly) and doctors. That increases to 70% of the budget.

But wait, there's more. AHS manages roughly 780 health related locations around the province. But remember Covenant Health? A Catholic Health Entity that is *sort of* separate? They have an annual budge of almost a billion dollars, and they manage 17 facilities with 11,000 employees. The best part? AHS has to provide services for those facilities like IT, laundry, staff, EMS.. all the standard services. They're run by Patrick Dumelie. The public sectors highest paid CEO. (over $800k in his best year). Dozens of nurses in Covenant are paid higher than the highest paid staff in AHS.. but it's a *private corporation* so there's no accountability.

Coles notes... I never said there wasn't waste. I generally said something along the lines of, good luck trying to stop it. The waste is written into contracts that were signed by the PCs and enforced by the Unions..

Full Disclosure.. I'm not a union position. I fall into the 3.6%, as does a reasonable chunk of IT being professionals. That's the chunk that hasn't seen a wage increase in 11 years. You won't find my name on a sunshine list. I do see waste in IT in the union side, but there's literally nothing we can do about it. The cost of getting rid of them is higher than the cost of keeping them and just making the best of it.

[suntan]

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But wait, there's more. AHS manages roughly 780 health related locations around the province. But remember Covenant Health? A Catholic Health Entity that is *sort of* separate? They have an annual budge of almost a billion dollars, and they manage 17 facilities with 11,000 employees. The best part? AHS has to provide services for those facilities like IT, laundry, staff, EMS.. all the standard services. They're run by Patrick Dumelie. The public sectors highest paid CEO. (over $800k in his best year). Dozens of nurses in Covenant are paid higher than the highest paid staff in AHS.. but it's a *private corporation* so there's no accountability.

You do realize every single doctor's office and x-ray place in town is a private corporation, yes? And physiotherapist... And psychologist... And virtually every other medical service not at a hospital...

[phreezee]

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So, since about 55% of the budget is nurses... who ARE unionized, there's fuck all you can do. The PC gov'ts signed those union agreements that allow the waste to happen, and nobody has the power or the will to change it. If you think you can go and cut out Nurses.. then go for it. When they strike en masse and people start to die then well.. too bad I guess?

Under the NDP, AHS is actively replacing RN/BNs positions with LPNs.

[Buster]

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I will wander in occasionally. I would also like to point out that I never ever said there wasn't waste. There absolutely is.

However, I find it amusing when people just assume they can reduce the budge of AHS by 20% by finding management efficiencies. AHS spends 3.6% on administration. Translate that into staff, and there is 3.3% of the workforce are management. That's a management ratio of 1 manager to 30 staff. So, of the 102000 actual AHS employees, that's roughly 3200 managers. Since AHS has a budget of $14.7B. (not 21B like the news like to report), that 20% would account for $2.9B. If you think that shitcanning 3.3% of the staff will save you almost $3B, then you're just stupid.

So, since about 55% of the budget is nurses... who ARE unionized, there's fuck all you can do. The PC gov'ts signed those union agreements that allow the waste to happen, and nobody has the power or the will to change it. If you think you can go and cut out Nurses.. then go for it. When they strike en masse and people start to die then well.. too bad I guess? When you add in what AHS pays to Covenant (on top of what GoA pays them directly) and doctors. That increases to 70% of the budget.

But wait, there's more. AHS manages roughly 780 health related locations around the province. But remember Covenant Health? A Catholic Health Entity that is *sort of* separate? They have an annual budge of almost a billion dollars, and they manage 17 facilities with 11,000 employees. The best part? AHS has to provide services for those facilities like IT, laundry, staff, EMS.. all the standard services. They're run by Patrick Dumelie. The public sectors highest paid CEO. (over $800k in his best year). Dozens of nurses in Covenant are paid higher than the highest paid staff in AHS.. but it's a *private corporation* so there's no accountability.

Coles notes... I never said there wasn't waste. I generally said something along the lines of, good luck trying to stop it. The waste is written into contracts that were signed by the PCs and enforced by the Unions..

Full Disclosure.. I'm not a union position. I fall into the 3.6%, as does a reasonable chunk of IT being professionals. That's the chunk that hasn't seen a wage increase in 11 years. You won't find my name on a sunshine list. I do see waste in IT in the union side, but there's literally nothing we can do about it. The cost of getting rid of them is higher than the cost of keeping them and just making the best of it.

So we need to break the unions.

I'm down. Let's get to it.

[killramos]

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So we need to break the unions.

I'm down. Let's get to it.

Astute assessment.

[msommers]

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“Notley had a choice. She could have taken action against the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.

Notley could have defended Alberta and, indeed, all of Canada. She didn’t.

Notley has rarely if ever mentioned the Rockefeller name in public even though it is their money, their campaign, that has sabotaged the backbone industry of Alberta’s economy.”

https://business.financialpost.com/o...landlocked-oil

Fuck me. That's brutal.

[Tik-Tok]

So with the official election day two days away... did this 45 page long thread change anyone's mind about who they were voting for?

[Buster]

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So with the official election day two days away... did this 45 page long thread change anyone's mind about who they were voting for?

Dippers: you can't reason people out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into.

[phreezee]

Can't change these voters minds for sure:

Great job, Alberta! Approximately 696,000 people have voted at the Advance Polls – a new record! Thank you to all our hardworking officers who made voting as easy and accessible as possible. Election Day is April 16. Make your mark!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...tion-1.5097693

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The large number of advance votes might make election night results slower to come in or possibly less accurate.

Final official results will not be available until Saturday or later.

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Humans: you can't reason people out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into.

Ftfy. People on all sides of the political spectrum are rarely open to new information or to changing thier position.

[killramos]

Depends how many are voting out of their riding. If you voted in advance in your riding your vote is counted on election night.

[ExtraSlow]

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Depends how many are voting out of their riding. If you voted in advance in your riding your vote is counted on election night.

True. I wish I had known that before I voted. I had to use advance voting this year since I'm working the poll on election day, and I would have voted in-riding if I had known about how the counting worked.

[Tik-Tok]

Is Dorward & Co. going to audit these results as well?

[Buster]

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The large number of advance votes might make election night results slower to come in or possibly less accurate.

Final official results will not be available until Saturday or later.

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Ftfy. People on all sides of the political spectrum are rarely open to new information or to changing thier position.

You're making the assumption that people on all sides of an issue are behaving rationally. This isn't quite true. Conviction is not necessarily commensurate with rational thinking. Just because you can't convince people that supporting Flat Earth theory is the irrational, doesn't mean their position is any more rational. It just means they are wrong with conviction.

In other words people can disagree because one side is rational and the other is not.

Supporting the NDP is one of those cases.

[Tik-Tok]

My UCP candidate is kind of smelling desperate here.

[SKR]

I'd absolutely take advantage of that ride. I've had enough of driving myself around like a fucking idiot.