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    Default Vintage Leopard skin from Africa, probably late 80s/early 90s.

    How does one sell this without Carole Baskin and Peta showing up at your door especially it comes with all the proper papers?

    Friend just inherited one and potential monetary value seems too good to be kept.

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    What is said potential?
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    Aren't they like ivory where you can't sell it? My parents have an elephant tusk from the early 1900s and to my knowledge all they're allowed to do is keep it in the family.
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    Turn it into a coat for Instagram clout
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    I ain't worried 'bout it right now..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRSC00LUDE View Post
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    What is said potential?
    https://news.mongabay.com/2011/08/ch...l-tiger-skins/

    Leopard skins ranged from $100,000 to $300,000.
    And that's 10 years ago. Unless that market is either gone, or went underground.

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    I don't believe you're allowed to sell it... The legal reason is that we signed up for the CITES(Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora) a few years back. You would likely need a lawyer/biologist to both identify the type of leopard and the legality of the sale...

    https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...traveller.html
    https://www.cites.org/eng/app/appendices.php

    Leopards seem to be on schedule I so likely not legal to sell.

    What happens if I don't comply with the law?

    The goods will be seized. You may also receive a warning or a ticket or fines of up to $150,000 and/or up to five years in jail for individuals, and fines of up to $300,000 for businesses. A separate fine can be imposed for every illegal item. For instance, an individual could be charged for every box of a product containing endangered species parts or derivatives listed in CITES appendices. Additional information can be obtained by contacting the Environment Canada Inquiry Centre at [email protected] or 1-800-668-6767.
    https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...questions.html

    The legal risk seems rather severe...

    Also highly illegal to either import or export so...
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    I know a guy who inherited a polar bear rug. Told him I’d love to buy it, but so far he doesn’t want to part with it haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazdavirgin View Post
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    I don't believe you're allowed to sell it... The legal reason is that we signed up for the CITES(Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora) a few years back. You would likely need a lawyer/biologist to both identify the type of leopard and the legality of the sale...

    https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...traveller.html
    https://www.cites.org/eng/app/appendices.php

    Leopards seem to be on schedule I so likely not legal to sell.


    https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...questions.html

    The legal risk seems rather severe...

    Also highly illegal to either import or export so...
    So the key is CITES permit. If that's part of the documentations what he calls "papers" then it's kosher.

    But sounds like such a hassle that there isn't really an outlet for it if I'm reading this right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    How does one sell this without Carole Baskin and Peta showing up at your door especially it comes with all the proper papers?

    Friend just inherited one and potential monetary value seems too good to be kept.
    Sell it on Asian black market. Maybe some rich Chinese mainlander will buy it. $350,000 cash. $500,000 if parts of the leopard skin has an abstract "8" in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    So the key is CITES permit. If that's part of the documentations what he calls "papers" then it's kosher.

    But sounds like such a hassle that there isn't really an outlet for it if I'm reading this right.
    Yeah I'd get a lawyer involved since to me it's not clear you can even get a CITES permit for the sale of anything on Schedule I. There's supposedly exemptions but no idea what qualifies and I would be very hesitant to apply without understanding the legal consequences of the application in the first place. You'd also need to figure out what kind of leopard this was and where it fits in with the listed species. I assume it's a Panthera pardus but I'm no biologist or lawyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazdavirgin View Post
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    Yeah I'd get a lawyer involved since to me it's not clear you can even get a CITES permit for the sale of anything on Schedule I. There's supposedly exemptions but no idea what qualifies and I would be very hesitant to apply without understanding the legal consequences of the application in the first place. You'd also need to figure out what kind of leopard this was and where it fits in with the listed species. I assume it's a Panthera pardus but I'm no biologist or lawyer.
    Interest read....

    https://cites.org/eng/res/10/10-14R16.php

    Seem like Africa still have quota to produce around 2500 skins per year? So market is limited but it's there. Must be some loophole. He just showed me the CITES tags with serial number on it, so I assume it's legit.

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    I have a great horned owl in my deep freeze and I can’t even sell it as a bird that’s common around here. So much paperwork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipstah View Post
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    Turn it into a coat for Instagram clout
    Loincloth, or why bother??

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    Interesting....My parents has two taxidermied sea turtles in their living room

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    CITES permits is usually only needed for international trade. But apparently is required in the US for interstate transport.

    In Canada - apparently
    The rules are different if you want to buy, sell or give pelts as gifts.

    If you are required to submit a Notice of Possession form, you:

    cannot sell the pelt
    can give the pelt away to someone else
    With a Licence to Possess a Pelt issued after July 1, 2013, you can:

    sell the pelt to a person who is legally allowed to buy it
    give the pelt to someone else
    So sell a trading card and free with purchase you give them the animal hide

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    I have a friend who might have found a cheetah pelt of a similar vintage for $300
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    The pelts only worth something if you kill the predator with your bare hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Fucking government getting in the way of a simple business transaction between two consenting adults.
    It was a three party transaction, with only two of the parties consenting.

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