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    Default spikerS' diet plan, not the same as the others lol!

    Alright, I would have just tagged on Shak's thread, but mine is a little different...

    Right about the time we went to Vegas, my body started acting all weird. Waking up 5-6 times a night to piss, always drinking water and lots of it, and in general feeling pretty shitty. Got back from Vegas and went to see my doctor and had some tests done, and had the worst (almost) confirmed; I am now a diabetic. Technically type 1 as my A1C level is 10.4, but the doctor says I am type 2 as she believes it can easily be controlled with meds, diet, and exercise. I dove in with both feet and got my blood glucose down from a high of 24.5 down to a solid 5.5-6.5 every day, so that's good. I am also down about 15-16lbs in the 2 weeks since I got diagnosed, so again, more good news.

    But, I need to find new foods to eat, things that are low carb, low sugar. But that is frigging hard to do. I have been checking nutrition labels like a hawk now, and finding foods with low grams of carbs and or sugar is damn near impossible...

    Anyone have any advice?
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    What kind of foods are you eating now that you're finding hard to replace?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CompletelyNumb View Post
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    What kind of foods are you eating now that you're finding hard to replace?
    pasta, bread and rice mainly
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    Cauliflower is a big one to replace the major carb dishes. Lots of good recipes on the internet that help with that.

    Struggle is real though, been on Keto for a little while here and finding ultra low carb foods is really hard. Can you eat fat? If so I would reccpmend a lot of the Keto resources for recipes and strategies.
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    Biggest thing to avoid is processed food - eat as much fresh food that you can (for more reasons than just less sugar). Cauliflower rice is good, nothing wrong with brown rice, quinoa, chickpea pasta etc.
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    Just learn to love salad without dressing.

    Cut out all liquids that are not water, carbonated water or black coffee.

    Just eat clean. It will take a couple of weeks, but it will become normal. Easier said than done, but your kids will thank you for it.

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    Lentils..?
    I make a awesome Indian Cauliflower dish too..

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    DO NOT GO KETO FOR YOUR FIRST COUPLE MONTHS.

    Inducing Ketoacidosis will give your attending physicians a much harder time trying to ascertain the condition of your pancreas. Not to mention you likely do not have a meter that measures your ketones. They are specific meters that normally only get given to type 1 diabetics who are on an insulin pump as you go into acidosis and shock if you are producing or injecting to much insulin.

    You want a turtle not a rabbit approach to weight loss while your condition is being diagnosed.

    Contrary to prevailing thought among these posters, diabetes takes a long time to be properly diagnosed in terms of type 1/2. There has been a huge increase in diabetes specifically late onset type 1 in our society. Get diagnosed properly.

    You and they do not know if you are insulin resistant or unable to produce insulin yet. The difference is only measurable after several A1C readings and charting your metabolic rate against your endocrine readings.

    In the beginning you want to reduce your simple carb & sugar intake while increasing your hydration level. You cannot cut out complex carbs as the medication(s) prescribed (metformin) are really hard on your stomach if you don't offer some sort of carb to buffer the action. You will suffer from diarrhea which will be almost completely liquid. Its not a serious complication but it is common.

    There are many resources on the internet to help with low carb diets for the weight loss aspect.

    Your first challenge is managing your glucose levels in the next 6 months. You are in the "honeymoon" period where your body responds extremely well to the treatment, but you will go through a period where the body adjusts then the real symptoms will present themselves. That is why it is critical for you to begin slow and LASTING changes now so the effects are less when they come.
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    Thanks @R154 that is a lot of good information there. I have yet to read everything in your PM, but thank you, I can tell there is a LOT of good information in there. I will get to reading it all in the morning.

    Yeah, I learned about the shits with Metformin. I now take it with my meals (breakfast and dinner. 2 x 500mg tabs, twice daily). I also take a 25mg of Jardiance in the morning.

    I have pretty much cut out bread completely, with the exception of hamburgers, but those are like once a week, and home made. I have also replaced all my sugar intake in regards to cooking at home with monk fruit sweetener, and it works really well. Any pop I drink now is diet, or Coke zero. Lipton makes a great 0 sugar lemon iced tea, love that stuff. I have also been eating those smoked hams, just heat in the oven and slice up. Breakfasts have mainly been a small portion of hash browns with a couple eggs cooked on top with either some bacon or ham. I have also switched to an unfiltered milk with 50% of the normal sugar, and works great in my coffee and teas. Also, I have been making smoothies with greek yogurt, frozen fruit, and the milk.

    But with all my meals, I am testing my sugars a couple times after eating at about the 2 and 3 hour marks, just to see if anything is causing it to spike, and so far, things have been going really well, no spikes yet. I did have a low point (<5mmol/L) and I could really feel it in my legs (thighs specifically) and so I popped a small candy to bring it up quick while I made something to eat. but overall, I have been feeling fairly well. The part that is hard for me though is my stomach constantly feels empty. I am used to lots of carbs, and I went full on cold turkey with my diet switch and @baygirl watches me like a hawk now. Being that she works in a pharmacy, all of her co-workers are too, so I don't get to sneak anything.

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    This is my graph from my meter from my testing since being diagnosed, it has come down pretty quickly, and I have managed to keep it pretty stable. I am hoping that i am one of the less severe cases on this, and I can keep it in check with diet alone some day, but who knows. The app says my estimated HBA1C is now 6.8% and it is still dropping.
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    Check out the Vertical diet.

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    To echo R154, one of my foremen went through this. He was out of whack for over a year while they figured it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R154 View Post
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    DO NOT GO KETO FOR YOUR FIRST COUPLE MONTHS.

    Inducing Ketoacidosis will give your attending physicians a much harder time trying to ascertain the condition of your pancreas. Not to mention you likely do not have a meter that measures your ketones. They are specific meters that normally only get given to type 1 diabetics who are on an insulin pump as you go into acidosis and shock if you are prodkeucing or injecting to much insulin.
    Ketoacidosis is not the same as dietary ketosis. Also Ketoacidosis occurs when you don't have enough insulin, it's not too from much insulin. Too much insulin will make you hypoglycemic which is a medical emergency as well. Definitely a smart idea to figure out if you're type 1 or type 2 first though and your avoiding dietary ketosis advice makes sense for that. Ketoacidosis risk is basically none for type 2 but type 1 it's a risk for sure.

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    Ok knowing your love for BBQ...

    Jackfruit - low carb fruit, that you can turn into a million different things. I did a jackfruit pulled pork a while back - you'd never have known, in fact I think I posted on FB and you were drooling over it lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonsey737 View Post
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    Ketoacidosis is not the same as dietary ketosis. Also Ketoacidosis occurs when you don't have enough insulin, it's not too from much insulin. Too much insulin will make you hypoglycemic which is a medical emergency as well. Definitely a smart idea to figure out if you're type 1 or type 2 first though and your avoiding dietary ketosis advice makes sense for that. Ketoacidosis risk is basically none for type 2 but type 1 it's a risk for sure.
    I can verify that ketoacidosis is not only for type 1 as I was given a ketone meter as a type 2. It affects people like me who have a decreased pancreas function in addition to an insulin resistance. I was also told that the body will turn to consuming itself (fat conversion) if to much insulin is present in the body in order to metabolize excess insulin when the liver can not deliver enough glucose. Dietary ketosis is a form of ketoacidosis (albeit mild). In normal functioning people ketones are not created or if they are, not in a harmful manner. Ketones for a diabetic are majorly disastrous.

    It is entirely possible that I misunderstood the information presented by my specialist and gp. I will talk to them about this once again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R154 View Post
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    I can verify that ketoacidosis is not only for type 1 as I was given a ketone meter as a type 2. It affects people like me who have a decreased pancreas function in addition to an insulin resistance. I was also told that the body will turn to consuming itself (fat conversion) if to much insulin is present in the body in order to metabolize excess insulin when the liver can not deliver enough glucose. Dietary ketosis is a form of ketoacidosis (albeit mild). In normal functioning people ketones are not created or if they are, not in a harmful manner. Ketones for a diabetic are majorly disastrous.

    It is entirely possible that I misunderstood the information presented by my specialist and gp. I will talk to them about this once again.
    I'm not an expert by any means so definitely check with your GP but the amount of people (even in the medical field) that confuse ketoacidosis with dietary ketosis are shockingly high. In my understanding ketones for a diabetic are not disastrous as long as they don't build to high levels which will acidify the blood which is where the term ketoacidosis comes from. Normal range for blood ketone levels in nutritional ketosis is in the 0.5-3 mmol/L with normal blood sugar level. Ketoacidosis occurs when blood ketone levels get much higher (7+ mmol if I recall correctly) and generally in the presence of high blood glucose too. Lots of type 2 (and some type 1) people successfully treat their diabetes with the keto diet and have been doing it for decades.

    There is also "type 1.5" diabetes which is kind of a new term but I believe that's a combination of insulin resistance and impaired insulin production like you might have. Anyways I hope this is all correct, anyone else feel free to chime in. I've done a lot of reading about this over the last few years since I was told I was on my way to becoming a diabetic.

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    Went and saw the doctor again today to get a refill on my Metformin script, which wasn't a problem, but she also wants to put me on Victoza, in addition to the Metformin and Jardiance. Anyone have any experience with it? All my testing shows that my blood glucose seems under control, do I really need more meds?
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    Quick bump to check and see how things are going with SpikerS.

    As well I am kinda in the same situation...High Blood Glucose, Metformin (Wicked shits btw... Do not recommend)

    I need to purchase a blood tester...any recommendations ?

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