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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    My goal in life is a senate appointment. That’s winning.
    No shit. But we keep electing ours for some retarded reason.

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    lol you separatists are delusional. As if Canada proper is going to let Alberta annex all willy nilly.

    Hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A790 View Post
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    lol you separatists are delusional. As if Canada proper is going to let Alberta annex all willy nilly.

    Hilarious.
    I don't think that's a separatist position

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    Quote Originally Posted by A790 View Post
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    lol you separatists are delusional. As if Canada proper is going to let Alberta annex all willy nilly.

    Hilarious.
    The question you must ask is if any province secede unilaterally.

    If no, why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by e31 View Post
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    One more silly assumption people make is that if Alberta separates provincial borders will stay the same. People in northern BC may be sensible enough to join Alberta anyway... Or AB could just annex whatever seems necessary.
    If in a scenario Alberta separates. It creates the conditions where it may be in their best interest (BC) to join Alberta. It may not happen right away. But the potential is there. For both it would mean access to a western port, a land rich in lumber for growth. Plains to the east rich in resources, energy and farmland. No interference from Ottawa to create road blocks.


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    lol you separatists are delusional. As if Canada proper is going to let Alberta annex all willy nilly.

    Hilarious.
    Its not a question of let, its creating the conditions as such that they will have to engage in talks.

    The SNP in Scotland is a good example of this. It was always thought the Queen would never allow it. But it nearly happened. It might even happen again.

    Globally we are seeing a rise in nationalism. Central governments are failing to build consensus and take on board legitimate concerns. Brexit is a prime example. Look at Italy, or Catalonia wanting separation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonytiger55 View Post
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    If in a scenario Alberta separates. It creates the conditions where it may be in their best interest (BC) to join Alberta. It may not happen right away. But the potential is there. For both it would mean access to a western port, a land rich in lumber for growth. Plains to the east rich in resources, energy and farmland. No interference from Ottawa to create road blocks.
    You say it’s best for BC but BC gains nothing. They already have a port, they already have trade agreements. They don’t want our energy resources to begin with. And the biggest issue for BC is the softwood lumber dispute with the US and do you really think them becoming a smaller country is going to give them more bargaining power with the US? Not a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A790 View Post
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    lol you separatists are delusional. As if Canada proper is going to let Alberta annex all willy nilly.

    Hilarious.
    Not to mention, does the majority of AB even want to separate? too lazy to look at recent polls but i doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pheoxs View Post
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    You say it’s best for BC but BC gains nothing. They already have a port, they already have trade agreements. They don’t want our energy resources to begin with. And the biggest issue for BC is the softwood lumber dispute with the US and do you really think them becoming a smaller country is going to give them more bargaining power with the US? Not a chance.
    I see your point. Like I said it creates the conditions. I will elaborate.
    Because they will be separated from the provinces out east. So they will have to go independent. It would only be a matter of time. Just like when Pakistan separated from Indian in 1947. You had a east and west Pakistan. The east side separated eventually.

    Trade agreements could be re-written or they can go to WTO rules.
    If BC was to separate, it would be their interest (or mutual interest) to join with AB. They will have another resource to export. The economic and political landscape changes dramatically.
    They will need our resource as it would make economical sense to do so in such a scenario.
    In response to your point
    'They don’t want our energy resources to begin with.'
    That is partially incorrect, they do based on monetary conditions and with the current, economic and political structure. Its used as a tool.

    But once the political structure changes, that dynamic changes dramatically. i.e look at Brexit. The economic structure changed with the access to the free market. Then you had free movement of people which added to that dramatically. The political structure changed. Remember, then you have people dying and a new generation coming each year to vote. There is no way things are the same.

    To argue they have nothing to gain is based on the current conditions. But I disagree with that argument because technically that does not work as the conditions as I have pointed out would not be the same.
    You don't get people to buy from you. You create the conditions that they will have to whether they like it or not. That is politics.

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    I think people are way too quick to forget how much BC dislikes Ottawa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    I think people are way too quick to forget how much BC dislikes Ottawa.
    Yeah, but the only place they hate more than Ottawa, is the entirety of Alberta.

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    In other news Mad Max is now invited to debates.

    Should play a drinking game on how many times he says LibCon party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tik-Tok View Post
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    Yeah, but the only place they hate more than Ottawa, is the entirety of Alberta.
    haha touche.

    if AB somehow does separate, i def won't hold my breath for BC to join us. MAYBE eastern/NE BC, but koots, interior and coast forget about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabad66 View Post
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    haha touche.

    if AB somehow does separate, i def won't hold my breath for BC to join us. MAYBE eastern/NE BC, but koots, interior and coast forget about it.
    BC would itself start to become very fragmented if a credible Western sovereignty movement arises. Huge chunks of bc would want to ditch the lower mainland and go.

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    We can just accept that Vancouver is new Hong Kong and move on
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    I think people are way too quick to forget how much BC dislikes Ottawa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabad66 View Post
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    haha touche.

    if AB somehow does separate, i def won't hold my breath for BC to join us. MAYBE eastern/NE BC, but koots, interior and coast forget about it.
    I've spent a lot of time in the Kootney's, specifically the Cranbrook area and the sentiment i get from that region is the are a lot like Albertans. They want a pipeline to be built, they want more jobs. That area doesn't seem to be as hippie as Nelson for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabad66 View Post
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    haha touche.

    if AB somehow does separate, i def won't hold my breath for BC to join us. MAYBE eastern/NE BC, but koots, interior and coast forget about it.
    Kootenay and interior would totally join AB. Those areas are even more hick than anything in AB. Also they know where their bread is buttered, and it ain't Vancouver.

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    You guys realize a ton of BC is unceded territory? Not a chance if leaves the cash cow that is Canada.

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    What give the FN money? Better than sending money to those fuckheads in Quebec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lasimmon View Post
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    You guys realize a ton of BC is unceded territory? Not a chance if leaves the cash cow that is Canada.
    A ton of BC is also a big money pit for infrastructure and services. Let BCers pay for the stuff in the Kootenays and Albertans use it. Why would we want to take that on?

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