2019 Canadian Federal Election thread - polls and discussion.

[Cagare]

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How much experience do you have with companies out east? And union shops?

Yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing. That still doesn't really answer the question.

Interestingly enough the suburbs of Toronto swing between Conservative and Liberal. That group of people are the young professionals with families who work in Toronto, largely similar demographic to what we have here in Calgary, the only difference is that their employers are more diverse than what we have here. I think the difference is that the west seems to remember quite clearly that the Liberals had screwed them over in the past, and is just waiting for it to continue.

Enacting change within corporations is the same challenge in Toronto as it is in Calgary, just depends on the industry really.

[rage2]

I wouldn't say this is Canada wide, and I wouldn't say this is all Calgary either, just a large portion in this city that act like dinosaurs and refuse to change, let alone embrace it. I'm not talking about rocking the boat here with change, I'm talking about struggles in optimizing simple processes within an organization that can make things more efficient. It's a different mentality working with people outside of Calgary. At a minimum, they're receptive to change, and would entertain improving instead of fearing it. It's not just the companies, it's the people behind it. Completely different mentality.

Union shops have it's own unique challenges because optimization is bad haha.

Don't get me wrong, both types of people have their own merits. On the other end of the spectrum, you have people in NorCal where they want change for the sake of change, and you end up with the half baked shit that comes out of Silicon Valley because they forgot to look at how things work with everyone not inside their bubble haha.

[94boosted]

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But he can't seem to get an approved pipeline built? That's just passive aggressive nonsense. If he was motivated to the level of the destruction of democracy on a pipeline, I'm pretty sure it would be shovels in the ground TOMORROW. No exaggeration. If it's not, then he doesn't want it built at all.

FYI they had a kick-off meeting for TMX Spread 1 yesterday and should have shovels in the ground next week. Spread 1 is the first ~50km of pipeline.

[Buster]

I find it pretty funny that Alberta voters would be assuaged by the construction of a single pipeline that should have been done 5 years ago.

[Brent.ff]

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FYI they had a kick-off meeting for TMX Spread 1 yesterday and should have shovels in the ground next week. Spread 1 is the first ~50km of pipeline.

And is in AB.. once it gets past the anchor loop i'll be impressed

[sabad66]

I was wondering how much the PPC vote split affected the Cons:
https://globalnews.ca/news/6071771/p...iler-election/

Looks like probably 5 seats. Thought it would be more than that.

[Xtrema]

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I was wondering how much the PPC vote split affected the Cons:
https://globalnews.ca/news/6071771/p...iler-election/

Looks like probably 5 seats. Thought it would be more than that.

Probably would be more if BQ didn't come out of nowhere.

[01RedDX]

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[Buster]

Governments shouldn't be in the business of managing recessions or employment levels.

[sabad66]

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Probably would be more if BQ didn't come out of nowhere.

Aren't BQ and Cons ideologically different? Maybe just on climate/pipelines, but i find it hard to believe someone who was considering Con decided BQ instead. If anything i think Liberals and NDP lost seats to BQ compared to cons.

[sabad66]

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Yup. In this case probably a Liberal senator would be chosen.

Well this is interesting:
https://calgaryherald.com/news/polit...n-elizabeth-ii

[killramos]

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Well this is interesting:
https://calgaryherald.com/news/polit...n-elizabeth-ii

Great idea. Nothing like more bike lanes to stimulate Alberta’s economy.

Minister of Purple Dinosaurs.

[Cagare]

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Exactly, 5 years ago under Harper they were not building these pipelines and nobody talked about building pipelines. Of course Harper was a failed economist, well I say failed because Mr. Economist oversaw the worst recession in living memory (Canada being the only G7 country to enter a recession under him) and then he got re-elected with a majority right after.

What? Sure, he oversaw it, but how does that make him responsible for it? The credit crisis caused every G7 country to entre a recession. Canada even delayed the recession and actually came out of it faster than the US.

That's part of the reason why the conservatives got nearly 40% of the popular vote in 2011. At the time of the election the GDP was actually growing between 2-4%.

[ZenOps]

I don't know that you can blame any local government for a potential recession. Its too globally connected nowadays. Aruguably, the second that the USA starts cutting back on weekend golf trips to Hawaii (and pushing per capita debt levels into the $200,000 per taxpayer level) is the second that Alberta is in trouble.

I mean if you grow and sell tobacco, the literal worse thing that can happen is that your customer decides to not smoke for that day.

USA may be addicted to our oil, but Canada is addicted to US debt. A little bit of debt is a good thing, who wouldn't want a debt slave? But a whole lot of debt can cause a whole host of problems, including the ultimate endgame where the US just does a one time print and make all Canadian US held dollars worthless.

[dirtsniffer]

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Exactly, 5 years ago under Harper they were not building these pipelines and nobody talked about building pipelines. Of course Harper was a failed economist, well I say failed because Mr. Economist oversaw the worst recession in living memory (Canada being the only G7 country to enter a recession under him) and then he got re-elected with a majority right after.

The funniest part is that his "Minister of Employment" during Alberta's worst ever employment crisis got elected premier of Alberta a few years later.

People are stupid, they really think sending someone from "our team" is "Finally going to get something done" for us over there, in Ottawa...

Two major pipelines were built during the Harper government. Keystone and the Alberta Clipper, combined they have the ability to export 1.5 million barrels of oil per day.

[AndyL]

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Great idea. Nothing like more bike lanes to stimulate Alberta’s economy.

Minister of Purple Dinosaurs.

I can totally see the transcanada loosing 1 lane each way for a bike lane. That sounds like a nenshi idea. Oh and senator means we cant get rid of him... How awesome.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Great idea. Nothing like more bike lanes to stimulate Alberta’s economy.

Minister of Purple Dinosaurs.

It's a stupid idea, but not stupid enough for Trudeau.
My money is not on Nenshi.

[dirtsniffer]

Getting Nenshi out of Calgary will be the greatest thing a Trudeau has ever done for Calgary.

[04Terminator]

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Exactly, 5 years ago under Harper they were not building these pipelines and nobody talked about building pipelines. Of course Harper was a failed economist, well I say failed because Mr. Economist oversaw the worst recession in living memory (Canada being the only G7 country to enter a recession under him) and then he got re-elected with a majority right after.

The funniest part is that his "Minister of Employment" during Alberta's worst ever employment crisis got elected premier of Alberta a few years later.

People are stupid, they really think sending someone from "our team" is "Finally going to get something done" for us over there, in Ottawa...

Truth. And equalization formula? Lol

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Governments shouldn't be in the business of managing recessions or employment levels.

What? Haha.

[ZenOps]

If he runs again, Nenshi is the win. Just for the idea that we went to the same Highschool and high fived every so often. That and of course the only other person who all the white people high fived - was Rob Anders.