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    You know, maybe it's not the politicians that are incorrect. Maybe we really are all bitches. It would explain so many things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    You know, maybe it's not the politicians that are incorrect. Maybe we really are all bitches. It would explain so many things.
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    It's clear to me we need to start the western alienation party.

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    It's clear to me we need to start the western alienation party.

    still working on the name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtsniffer View Post
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    It's clear to me we need to start the western alienation party.

    still working on the name.
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    A few elections? It's been evident since Mulroney which caused the Reformers to split off. It became evident again when the Reform Party changed their name and identity to win the favor of the voters they split away from after Mulroney. Hell, there hasn't been a need for a conservative party to cater to Albertan needs since the 70s since that's the decade that the unwavering loyalty was given with no expectation of returns. In most other provinces that type of support is bought and paid for.
    The voting bloc isn't sufficiently weighty to provide any leverage, which is the problem. There is no leverage to be had within the current structure. Indeed the current structure is designed specifically to deny that leverage. All paths lead back to a broken Confederation and the requirement for a legitimate threat of sovereignty.

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    You know, maybe it's not the politicians that are incorrect. Maybe we really are all bitches. It would explain so many things.
    Canadians, as a people, are very beta (pardon the bro term). But it's true. And Albertans are no exception, really.

    Kert is right that it is very unlikely that Alberta et al will successfully pursue being un-bitches. I think it is more likely than he thinks, but it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    The voting bloc isn't sufficiently weighty to provide any leverage, which is the problem. There is no leverage to be had within the current structure. Indeed the current structure is designed specifically to deny that leverage. All paths lead back to a broken Confederation and the requirement for a legitimate threat of sovereignty.

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    Canadians, as a people, are very beta (pardon the bro term). But it's true. And Albertans are no exception, really.

    Kert is right that it is very unlikely that Alberta et al will successfully pursue being un-bitches. I think it is more likely than he thinks, but it is what it is.
    But PEI gets four ridings - each with an average of 35,000 people. Meanwhile, Alberta has an average riding size of 110,000 people. Why not just triple our number of ridings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    But PEI gets four ridings - each with an average of 35,000 people. Meanwhile, Alberta has an average riding size of 110,000 people. Why not just triple our number of ridings?
    PEI is over-represented, but they also don't have a huge number of seats to swing votes one way or the other. Giving Alberta more representation would, again, defeat the intent of Confederation (which is to centralize influence and voting power in Quebec and Ontario).

    It would probably be easier for Alberta to separate than it would be to get true voting weight in Confederation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    Kert is right that it is very unlikely that Alberta et al will successfully pursue being un-bitches. I think it is more likely than he thinks, but it is what it is.
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    This is where the benefit of a second (elected) chamber similar in structure to the US Senate would be good. Give every province 4 seats, territories 2, all chosen by elections every 4 years with a maximum of 4 terms total. I still can't wrap my head around why Canada's Senate was set up the way it was with lifetime appointments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabad66 View Post
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    This is where the benefit of a second (elected) chamber similar in structure to the US Senate would be good. Give every province 4 seats, territories 2, all chosen by elections every 4 years with a maximum of 4 terms total. I still can't wrap my head around why Canada's Senate was set up the way it was with lifetime appointments.
    It makes more sense when you remember it’s modelled after the House of Lords lol

    The other chamber is for common people.

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    Alberexit!! Leave the confederation.

    I think Alberta can adopt more of a approach like a Scottish SNP party. Build the consensus to leave, but never do it. Get on the media more, and have better structured arguments. Just be a hard thorn in the ass of Quebec and Ontario.

    I don't think the politicians attack very well in parliament. They are too much like a bunch of angry Carebears. You Canadians are dam too nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonytiger55 View Post
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    Alberexit!! Leave the confederation.

    I think Alberta can adopt more of a approach like a Scottish SNP party. Build the consensus to leave, but never do it. Get on the media more, and have better structured arguments. Just be a hard thorn in the ass of Quebec and Ontario.

    I don't think the politicians attack very well in parliament. They are too much like a bunch of angry Carebears. You Canadians are dam too nice.
    This is the correct approach. But as I said... Betas

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    I wouldn't be opposed to seeing fisticuffs in parliament.
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    The Allbeta party?
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    As I recall, Ted Morton in an interview pointed out that alberta would have more rights in terms of trade and shipping access with Canada as an independent state than it enjoys as province.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxt View Post
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    As I recall, Ted Morton in an interview pointed out that alberta would have more rights in terms of trade and shipping access with Canada as an independent state than it enjoys as province.
    Right now Alberta is a coastal province (see the ocean?!). If Alberta separates that ocean goes away and Alberta immediately becomes landlocked.

    Or so the logic goes.

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    Physically yes, in terms of international laws, apparently not. I think the example was made its easier for us to trade with Uzbekistan, that it is for us to trade with British Columbia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxt View Post
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    Physically yes, in terms of international laws, apparently not. I think the example was made its easier for us to trade with Uzbekistan, that it is for us to trade with British Columbia.
    I was just joking. One of the silly arguments people make when Alberta/Western sovereignty is discussed is they claim that Alberta would then be landlocked (!!!). As if Alberta is not landlocked right now.

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    One more silly assumption people make is that if Alberta separates provincial borders will stay the same. People in northern BC may be sensible enough to join Alberta anyway... Or AB could just annex whatever seems necessary.

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