2019 Canadian Federal Election thread - polls and discussion.

[dirtsniffer]

Over $100,000 in illegal donations from SNC to the federal liberals. Elections commision lets them off the hook, doesn't notify the public, and neither does the liberal party.

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Current sest projections as of April 30th, 2019

[HiTempguy1]

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Over $100,000 in illegal donations from SNC to the federal liberals. Elections commision lets them off the hook, doesn't notify the public, and neither does the liberal party.

Don't forget, they also fined a Conservative MP $21,000 !!! for the exact same thing, except it was only over $8,000 in donations. Fucking absurdity

[speedog]

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Subway being stingy on their double meat!

Is it really meat?

[Misterman]

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Is it really meat?

Oh shit, this just got deep.

[killramos]

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Is it really meat?

I like to think it’s some kind of meat

[Darell_n]

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I like to think it’s some kind of meat

I overheard a customer being asked to choose their protein. I almost gagged.

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Pierre Poilievre - Your Money. Their Friends.

[ExtraSlow]

I've been looking at the polls and I think Quebec will play a huge role in this election. It's a liberal stronghold but if the voters decide to punish liberals and vote for the party that can beat them, then the Cconservatives will pick up substantial seats there. Or if the BQ has a big showing, or Liberals hold onto support, it will more firmly hold the Conservatives in minority territory.
Current Quebec projections:

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[Sugarphreak]

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[Xtrema]

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I've been looking at the polls and I think Quebec will play a huge role in this election. It's a liberal stronghold but if the voters decide to punish liberals and vote for the party that can beat them, then the Cconservatives will pick up substantial seats there. Or if the BQ has a big showing, or Liberals hold onto support, it will more firmly hold the Conservatives in minority territory.
Current Quebec projections:

Is there any reason Quebec to switch away from Liberals given the whole SNC thing has already proven Trudeau is their man?

Or do you think BQ will make a come back?

Does Conservative actually have a chance with Bernier out to PPC?

[dirtsniffer]

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Pretty speculative article... I thought you were better than this Toma-style brainwashing garbage?

The fact that they have to keep putting "reimbursed" in parentheses so they can't be sued for libel is pretty bad journalism

Sounds more like people made political donations of their choice near the end of the year, then got bonuses that were unconnected... and a bunch of butt-hurt's that got fired later on decided to try and pretend they were somehow connected. Dumbest thing I've read in weeks.


I get that people are trying to use this as a lightning rod issue against the Liberals, but these BS attacks on SNC Lavalin are getting pretty old

That's not what happened. From the article:

The federal Liberals were sent the list in a letter marked "confidential" from the Commissioner of Canada Elections — the investigative branch of Elections Canada — on Aug. 5, 2016. But for nearly three years, neither Elections Canada nor the Liberal Party shared that information publicly.

The investigation reveals that over a period of more than five years between 2004 and 2009, 18 former SNC-Lavalin employees, directors and some spouses contributed nearly $110,000 to the federal Liberals, including to four party leadership campaigns and four riding associations in Quebec.

According to the letter, the investigation found that SNC-Lavalin reimbursed all of those individual donations — a practice forbidden under the Canada Elections Act...
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SNC-Lavalin avoided charges by signing what is known as a "compliance agreement" in 2016 with the Commissioner of Canada Elections after promising not to break the law in the future.

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Is there any reason Quebec to switch away from Liberals given the whole SNC thing has already proven Trudeau is their man?

Or do you think BQ will make a come back?

Does Conservative actually have a chance with Bernier out to PPC?

don't ask me to get into the heads of Quebec voters man, I have no insights there, lol. However, even if they won't vote for the Conservatives, they can still do the Conservatives a huge favour by voting for BQ. Or the reverse is also true.

[Sugarphreak]

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[dirtsniffer]

Also from the article

Despite the findings of the Commissioner of Canada Elections, only one person was charged. Normand Morin, a former SNC vice-president, was charged in May 2018. Last November, he pleaded guilty to violating two counts of the Canada Elections Act by "acting in collusion with certain senior officials of SNC-Lavalin" and for soliciting contributions "on behalf of federal political entities."

How can it all be made up if it was investigated and the elections commissioner found wrong doing? And then someone was charged and found guilty?

[Sugarphreak]

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[dirtsniffer]

Another article that came out before the snc scandal broke

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ele...neau-1.4984823

A compliance agreement signed by SNC Lavalin in 2016 refers to a system that involved "certain former senior executives" of the company. Employees were encouraged to donate to federal political parties, then were reimbursed by the company through "false refunds for personal expenses or payment of fictitious bonuses."

Under federal election financing laws, companies are not allowed to contribute to parties or candidates. The scheme allowed SNC Lavalin to circumvent the law by making political donations indirectly through its employees.

Another article, this from 2016

https://ipolitics.ca/2016/09/08/snc-...rty-donations/

According to the compliance agreement, “certain former senior executives” of the company, no longer employees, solicited other employees to make the political contributions over a seven-year period.

Some of the contributions — a total of $117, 803.49 — were reimbursed by SNC-Lavalin “in the form of false refunds for personal expenses or payment of fictitious bonuses or other benefits,” the agreement says.

In some cases, the reimbursements went to spouses of its employees for making donations.

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[Misterman]

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It looks people with a bias trying to make a mountain out of a molehill to me

From the 2nd article:


This is basically trying to make you think that SNC doled out 118K in political reimbursements... except then there is a confusing amount of other stuff written in that sentence that basically says OR for other things. The author, who is supposed to making it easy for the reader to understand, is instead intentionally making it confusing. That should point to the fact that this is a bunch of creative speculation. They then end it with "The agreement says" which basically makes it sound like they are not even taking responsibility for the speculative drivel they just wrote.

Take this example, if an employee claimed a 100$ lunch that they shouldn't have... that is a false refund or personal expense (take your pick which one). That entire sentence could be about a 100$ lunch that is totally unconnected to political donations. Then the author throws in the 118K figure, states vaguely that it may or may not include donations, and basically attempts to infer that they are linked together.

If they had real proof, something that wasn't a bunch of speculative garbage, they would spell it out. But they clearly don't.

The denial is strong with this one.

[Sugarphreak]

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