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    Absolutely, I was just using Co2 as a rough correlation.

    Toronto has the third highest respiratory illness rate in the world that is due to particulate emissions from vehicles.

    That's why Germany's huge reduction while its population has exploded is so admirable.
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    I highly doubt that. source?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 04Terminator View Post
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    I'd agree, but the railroad was slave labour, I doubt we can get away with that again.
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    Please don't insult train drivers.
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    Not sure what's worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 04Terminator View Post
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    Absolutely, I was just using Co2 as a rough correlation.

    Toronto has the third highest respiratory illness rate in the world that is due to particulate emissions from vehicles.

    That's why Germany's huge reduction while its population has exploded is so admirable.
    Alberta as a whole has an abnormal rate of Crohn's and Ulcerative Colitis in contrast to the rest of the world, which might be from air pollution and maybe our beef (strong correlations at this point). From an interesting talk by GI specialists from Foothills at the CPL a few months ago. Something is messed up in Alberta specifically, as immigrants who were developing the symptoms would go back to their home country several months later and symptoms would dissipate.

    But essentially, coal bad, Germany won't quite because their economy relies a lot on it, and global emissions won't drop much unless China gets their shit sorted out. Alberta should have no electrical generation from coal, especially given our immediate access to Nat Gas.
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    I'd agree, but the railroad was slave labour, I doubt we can get away with that again.
    Well… Realistically people have to work at something. I mean, you could pay people $100 million dollars to put a 50 kilogram rover on the moon that works for two days, or you could build a 50 mile section of wall that has solar panels on top. Would it take slave labour? No, as long as you actually pay people a wage of some sort - you will get plenty of people willing to build it. I mean, you could technically call a 50 kilogram moon rover slave labour if you didn't pay them (millennial internship programme, unpaid work required to join the space force.)

    Its really just a matter of dollar and current perception: Is lobster "prison food that is cruel and unusual punishment"? Is a trip to mars, the worst punishment humanly imagineable?

    I like Elon (and you do have to bring in Elon if you talk electricity) but his views on Mars exploration are pretty out there. And if you do pay $100 million to smash a rover into the moon, is that ultimately defeating when other nations actually spend money on projects with real tangible benefits? Personally I think there are many made in USA projects giving "money for nothing" which is great for a white male - for a while.. But ultimately you lose out on the benefits of "real" achievements and tangible growth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenOps View Post
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    The concrete idea does have merit, but its already been expanded upon. Simply build a "flower" of iron pilings that are attached at the ground on a hinge pivot. During oversupply, slowly lift the pilings from horizontal to vertical. Once standing, attach to a center "holding pin" to keep upright. Lift next iron as needed. When power is required, simply unpin and slowly drop the iron (generators will be underneath, and possibly spring or adjustable loaded) or use the crane as a reverse generator on fall.

    My suggestion would be to not use a flower, but a dual hinge tower drop design. Lift two iron pilings from opposite sides to minimize internal stresses, when at vertical pin or cable the two irons to each other. Heck, you might even be able to get away with a half ton Boron neodymium magnet.

    Drop two at a time in same manner, unpin and generate. Before the two have dropped completely, have an extra set of arms to start dropping the next two iron (four arms, and four generators minimum). Have all of this on a straight rail track, with a specialized vehicle that moves along a track with say, 100 hinged pilings on each side, if oversupply is larger, simply have more track and use more pilings (or bigger ones, whatever)
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    Update: Capacity market by 2021 cancelled. We are staying as an energy-only market.

    https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...5D35312EBBB3EE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disoblige View Post
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    Update: Capacity market by 2021 cancelled. We are staying as an energy-only market.

    https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...5D35312EBBB3EE
    6.8c cap is also gone. Electricity will be charged based on what market will bear again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    6.8c cap is also gone. Electricity will be charged based on what market will bear again.
    Was there ever a time in the last few years where the price hit the cap? Always seemed to be cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 16hypen3sp View Post
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    Was there ever a time in the last few years where the price hit the cap? Always seemed to be cheaper.
    Answer is yes if you are not on contract. We are enjoying price cap this month.

    http://www.auc.ab.ca/Pages/current-rates-electric.aspx

    Now. you can also say that electricity price has gone up due to the market condition created by NDP. But I have not read anything from UCP to undo those investments so who knows when/if it will come back down.
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    ^ Interesting. Thanks for posting that.
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    Atco 3 cent rate FTW right now
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    Quote Originally Posted by pheoxs View Post
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    Atco 3 cent rate FTW right now


    I've been able to stop bitching when my wife keeps turning the AC temp lower....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    6.8c cap is also gone. Electricity will be charged based on what market will bear again.
    6.8 RRO cap is still here, it's being investigated


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    Answer is yes if you are not on contract. We are enjoying price cap this month.

    http://www.auc.ab.ca/Pages/current-rates-electric.aspx

    Now. you can also say that electricity price has gone up due to the market condition created by NDP. But I have not read anything from UCP to undo those investments so who knows when/if it will come back down.
    electricity prices went up because the NDP shouldered billions of dollars of losses from the Balancing Pool's operations that now have to be repaid over the next 10 years.

    deregulated electricity prices arn't why your bill is so high, it's the regulated delivery charges ($20 for power, $150 for delivery )
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    Quote Originally Posted by pheoxs View Post
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    Atco 3 cent rate FTW right now
    Seriously. So glad I jumped on that deal. I don't care how much more Nat.Gas is, the electricity savings is doing nothing but going up.

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    This doesn't really fit here but I don't want to make a new thread. Suncor building big new natural gas fired cogen plants at thier mine near Fort Mac that will export electricity to the grid. Article says ~8% of provinces use.
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