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    Quote Originally Posted by dino_martini View Post
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    It's all an illusion man.
    Yes, so why not create the illusion that customers don't pay for checked bags? They did it backwards by trying to create the illusion of cheaper base fare.

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    Because not everyone checks bags. I never do, even though I have 3 free with status regardless of fare.
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    Because people comparison shop base fares, and airlines make more money with these extra fees than with higher base fares. They didn't screw anything up, they've done a great job of increasing revenue in a competitive marketplace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    Because not everyone checks bags.
    Which is exactly the point. And even less people check bags now that there is a "fee". By charging everyone a slightly smaller fee that isn't advertised, and creating the illusion they don't charge for bags, they would bring more revenue while maintaining better social status. But whatever, it's not my business that's leaving money on the table.

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    You are an idiot. The increased revenue from baggage fees is well documented across multiple airlines around the world. Just because it makes you sad, doesn't mean it's bad business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterman View Post
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    Which is exactly the point. And even less people check bags now that there is a "fee". By charging everyone a slightly smaller fee that isn't advertised, and creating the illusion they don't charge for bags, they would bring more revenue while maintaining better social status. But whatever, it's not my business that's leaving money on the table.
    You are free to pay for a ticket that includes all these things if extra fees cause you so much heartburn. They still exist.

    99% of the rest of the world just wants a lower ticket price.
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    I just want cheaper travel to TO... there is what? A plane between the two cities every 15min? Why can I travel to Hawaii or London for less?? It makes no sense!

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    it makes perfect sense. People going to TO are either business travelers, or vacationers during peak seasons. They aren't price sensitive. Hawaii travelers are almost all vacationers with some flexibility of timing, so they are very price sensitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    You are an idiot. The increased revenue from baggage fees is well documented across multiple airlines around the world. Just because it makes you sad, doesn't mean it's bad business.
    You can't read, but I'm the idiot? lol solid!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    it makes perfect sense. People going to TO are either business travelers, or vacationers during peak seasons. They aren't price sensitive. Hawaii travelers are almost all vacationers with some flexibility of timing, so they are very price sensitive.
    What is this? A socialist airline?! Private sector corporate flights subsidizing travel for the masses’ vacations?!

    But seriously... this is one place I would love to see some government intervention. Cheap flights around the country. There is so much I would go and see, but if it costs more than flying 2-4x further... well... that vacation spending will happen outside the country’s borders

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    it makes perfect sense. People going to TO are either business travelers, or vacationers during peak seasons. They aren't price sensitive. Hawaii travelers are almost all vacationers with some flexibility of timing, so they are very price sensitive.
    Pearson has the highest airport improvement fees and taxes in North America. Calgary is second highest in a Canada. The base fare isn’t much different from a flight to the UK.
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    Haha, airlines dont want to raise their actual rates ... .but in Canada the law stipulates that fees have to be 'included' in the (all in) price (fuel surcharges, AIF, security taxes, etc) - this used to be added separately which resulted in 1$ fares on occasion back in the day.

    Now, the airlines got clever start charging for options - like baggage. Expect bag fees to climb as rates sure as hell wont (esp in the vacation/economy market)!

    Charging for seat selection, etc is just the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercchry View Post
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    I just want cheaper travel to TO... there is what? A plane between the two cities every 15min? Why can I travel to Hawaii or London for less?? It makes no sense!
    Supply and demand. Like everything else you buy. There's huge demand for flights to Toronto from higher yielding travelers. Ultimately the market will decide what a ticket to TO is worth.

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    But seriously... this is one place I would love to see some government intervention. Cheap flights around the country. There is so much I would go and see, but if it costs more than flying 2-4x further... well... that vacation spending will happen outside the country’s borders
    Yeah let's have government force the airlines to charge less because you want cheap tickets to Toronto Why stop at airlines? Why not have the government force luxury car makers to charge no more than a Honda?

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    Haha, airlines dont want to raise their actual rates ... .but in Canada the law stipulates that fees have to be 'included' in the (all in) price (fuel surcharges, AIF, security taxes, etc) - this used to be added separately which resulted in 1$ fares on occasion back in the day.

    Now, the airlines got clever start charging for options - like baggage. Expect bag fees to climb as rates sure as hell wont (esp in the vacation/economy market)!

    Charging for seat selection, etc is just the start.
    Switching to a la carte fees for extras like seat selection, checked luggage etc. is the most fair way to price air travel. Why should someone who just wants a cheap seat and isn't checking a bag pay the same as someone who wants to pick their exact seat and has two huge suit cases etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrisYYC View Post
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    Supply and demand. Like everything else you buy. There's huge demand for flights to Toronto from higher yielding travelers. Ultimately the market will decide what a ticket to TO is worth.



    Yeah let's have government force the airlines to charge less because you want cheap tickets to Toronto Why stop at airlines? Why not have the government force luxury car makers to charge no more than a Honda?
    Well if the demand is SO high that they are putting more flights on that route, then it should hit a critical mass of flights that bring down prices, no? Supply and demand after all. Right???

    Or... is it more of a profit hungry move as most people flying between the two centres HAVE to travel said route regardless of price?

    Also, I said the ONE place I would like to see government intervention... since, well one of the jobs of government is to make sure it’s citizens can move about the country... also keep flights within the country affordable is a net benefit it Canada since as a nation we prosper the most if we can bring wealth into the nation, then retain it within our borders... Jesus, I’m usually so far right on the spectrum of politics that it would make trump question it... but this just makes sense... or cents?

    Airlines in this country are broken. Cheap domestic flights exist literally everywhere else, just not here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercchry View Post
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    What is this? A socialist airline?! Private sector corporate flights subsidizing travel for the masses’ vacations?!

    But seriously... this is one place I would love to see some government intervention. Cheap flights around the country. There is so much I would go and see, but if it costs more than flying 2-4x further... well... that vacation spending will happen outside the country’s borders
    Did you really just suggest that the government intervene in the price of an airline ticket??

    Jesus..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ercchry View Post
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    Well if the demand is SO high that they are putting more flights on that route, then it should hit a critical mass of flights that bring down prices, no? Supply and demand after all. Right???

    Or... is it more of a profit hungry move as most people flying between the two centres HAVE to travel said route regardless of price?

    Also, I said the ONE place I would like to see government intervention... since, well one of the jobs of government is to make sure it’s citizens can move about the country... also keep flights within the country affordable is a net benefit it Canada since as a nation we prosper the most if we can bring wealth into the nation, then retain it within our borders... Jesus, I’m usually so far right on the spectrum of politics that it would make trump question it... but this just makes sense... or cents?

    Airlines in this country are broken. Cheap domestic flights exist literally everywhere else, just not here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxx Mazda View Post
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    Did you really just suggest that the government intervene in the price of an airline ticket??

    Jesus..
    Cause they don’t already?

    I just want to be able to get to my cottage more often... won’t someone think of the 1%?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercchry View Post
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    Well if the demand is SO high that they are putting more flights on that route, then it should hit a critical mass of flights that bring down prices, no? Supply and demand after all. Right???

    Or... is it more of a profit hungry move as most people flying between the two centres HAVE to travel said route regardless of price?

    Also, I said the ONE place I would like to see government intervention... since, well one of the jobs of government is to make sure it’s citizens can move about the country... also keep flights within the country affordable is a net benefit it Canada since as a nation we prosper the most if we can bring wealth into the nation, then retain it within our borders... Jesus, I’m usually so far right on the spectrum of politics that it would make trump question it... but this just makes sense... or cents?

    Airlines in this country are broken. Cheap domestic flights exist literally everywhere else, just not here.
    Exactly, demand is so high that even with the high frequencies we have, the airlines are having no trouble filling the seats with the airfares they are charging. Of course there's profit motive, they are private businesses not public transit.

    The government's role in ensuring citizens can move about the country is to prevent provincial borders from becoming like national borders restricting citizens travel to/from provinces, it's not to provide cheap air fare.

    The airlines are not broken. They are profitable and healthy for the most part. Even then their margins are only 10% or less despite the "gouging". You can't compare cheap domestic flights in Europe (population of almost 500 million in an area smaller than Western Canada) or the US with its large population and way bigger economy.

    Government gets in the way of cheaper domestic options by taxing the hell out of air travel in this country. Air fares (just what the airline takes, not the taxes) have never been cheaper relative to the actual costs to operate the flight and adjusted for inflation. I have some old Air Canada time tables from the 70's and 80's when the government regulated air fares. The prices are printed right in the timetable and adjusted for inflation they are WAY higher than ticket prices today.

    Even with the high costs to operate in Canada, we still have some low cost carriers giving a go like Flair. Get the government out of way and stop taxing air travel so much and we'd probably see more low cost options on the popular routes.

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    You want cheaper air travel, open up our skies to foreign investment and air carriers. Prices will come down.

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