Mistake to buy a gas powered vehicle these days?

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$1335/hr (+fuel +gst GST)

The REAL price is closer to 1600$/hr.

Also note that you will be paying for the ship to fly from its base to meet you.

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$1335/hr (+fuel +gst GST)

The REAL price is closer to 1600$/hr.

Also note that you will be paying for the ship to fly from its base to meet you.

Assuming you are taking a A-star, you'll need to refuel on the way as well. And pay for it to return to base.

So Tesla might be cheaper.

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If you cheaped out and found a local operator with a piston-pounding R22 (a tiny little ship), it might be closer to 800$/hr.

Any time you throw a turbine into an equation, the fuel costs become enormous.

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[KPHMPH]

How do you suppose factoring in when bringing stuff from AB to BC? Ex. Liquor, building materials, consumer goods...

So far I’ve been to the lake 17 times since April.

17 x $1700 = $28,900 GST = $30,345

Budgets really getting eaten up.

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My assumption is the Model X will depreciate by about 70K within 5 years... so purchase price of 150K, and resale of 80K. I think that might even be too generous, but it is a good discussion point.

How many times you could you fly there and back for 70K roughly? Or, if you average it out, on an annual 14K budget?

I actually feel bad for using KMHMPH's situation as an example, I usually don't like to pick on people's actual vehicle even if I hate it. So let's generic-ify this a bit and say a guy vacations in Kelowna 5 times a year... is it cheaper to buy a model X, or fly in a helicopter over a 5 year period with all things considered.

Well the helicopter bills would stack up pretty heavy when you're using it to get to lunch everyday since you don't have a car.

But that aside, when you're spending 5-10 grand return per trip on a heli, it doesn't take much math skillz to see that's a hell of a lot more expensive than just driving a Tesla.

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Since last April? Is that normal, or is that because you were building your bunk house?

Seems pretty excessive, if I had a summer home that was that far away I'd be doing 2 or 3 long trips. If I could only afford enough time for a few days at a time I'd be looking at options closer to Calgary. That is just me though.

As far as transporting stuff, you'd be adding a lot of extra weight to an already heavy vehicle while also reducing the range and increasing charging requirements... tire costs of importing using a Tesla are going to be higher than your savings over buying local IMO.

I've always said that tire costs for electric cars are a lot higher because of the extra wear due to battery weight. I used to know quite a few guys with H2's, and those were heavy enough that they would eat tires in half the time. For passenger tires.... I don't even want to think what a 5500lb car with 2000lbs of extra stuff would do.



Yeah I was thinking about that after... 5 times would be more for sure. Probably 2 to 3 times a summer would be about the same as the depreciation. I guess the key is to take a few 1.5~2 week vacations instead of flying in and out all the time.

It is still a bit crazy to think if you flew out by helicopter for 5 years a few times, you could then turn around and buy a used Model X and still come out ahead in the long run VS buying a new one.



The other factor is if Tesla is even around in 5 years... if not, then you can tack on another 50K in depreciation

I hope double down on this... I'm not saying it's the worst argument I've ever seen on Beyond, but I'm curious to see if you can get there...

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Uber just launched a helicopter service, so there's that.

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It’s been there for a while. Kenny posted a screen shot of it at Abu Dhabi.

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Thats actually an interesting concept - personal, autonomous, flying ships.

I see those much more likely to come about than smart roads. Aircraft automation systems are extremely reliable and well proven (except for MCAS, which was rushed into use)

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I enjoy the "it costs nothing to run" argument with EVs. My overall average on 3 vehicles is about $0.105/km from fuel while the govt standard for mileage is $0.55/km so that $0.45 is still happening. Depreciation, tires and maintenance are all still factors. While you can eliminate oil changes and many engine related aspects from that maintenance category, folks sure like to pretend electricity is free.

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In terms of costs of gas, electricity is a steal.

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In terms of costs of gas, electricity is a steal.

Especially when the tax payer is funding it for you at all these public charge stations.

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Especially when the tax payer is funding it for you at all these public charge stations.

Most EV owners charge from home. It’s 1/3 the price as a gas car when comparing refueling/recharging in Alberta. Way cheaper in BC.

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Most EV owners charge from home. It’s 1/3 the price as a gas car when comparing refueling/recharging in Alberta. Way cheaper in BC.

Oh of course. But if someone is ultra cheap and works downtown in most cities, they can charge up for free if they really want to.

I can't wait till these things are reasonably priced. I'd love to have an EV for basic around town duties.

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Especially when the tax payer is funding it for you at all these public charge stations.

There are free public charging stations?!?

All the ones I’ve seen are companies that own them and still give free charging but its based off going to a surrounding business.

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There are free public charging stations?!?

All the ones I’ve seen are companies that own them and still give free charging but its based off going to a surrounding business.

Maybe things have changed? I don't exactly follow it closely since I don't own an EV. Cities were slamming up charge stations years ago, and they had them at road side stops on a lot of main highways. All in the effort to get people to switch over.