"Kids these days"

[e31]

The various responses I'm hearing (positive or negative) regarding CALM classes make for a statement heard thru the ages. See thread title... its universal.

You can see certain kids take the initiative early in High School, or maybe that drive develops later for others. MUCH LATER for select few, or sometimes never. No judgment here... Just that yesterdays glue-sniffers, are todays tide-pod eaters. They get all the attention.

[Buster]

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By any statistical measure of human health, safety or happiness, the world has never been better. If you are having problems with "kids these days" I think you need to look in the mirror.

You're measuring against history. We should be measuring against potential.

The populatory of stupids like AOC and Bernie Sanders is a strong indicator of the economic illiteracy of an entire generation.

[Misterman]

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Um no? I went to a catholic school and took CALM, its literally a requirement to graduate. Also didn't do that baby thing and never heard of it.

When did you go to school? Every single one of my friends in catholic school took Religion instead of CALM. ?

Starting to sound like Albertas curriculum is a loose interpretation at best.

[vengie]

Holy hell! This went to shit.

CALM was terrible. A790, I'm glad you may have been taught clearly more than the rest of us, and I'm so proud of you for starting your first business in Senior year.

But you are the exception, not the rule.

Our education system has been poorly designed and the execution even worse. Kids are not taught basic skills and get destroyed when they hit the real world and university.


Also, way back to the video game comment about them being around 25 years ago, Pacman does not equal grand theft auto.

[firebane]

I think CALM was a Alberta thing. Never had it in any of my schools at all.

Learning about money and financial stuff came from my watching how horrible my parents were and how I wanted to be better

[J.M.]

I went to a Catholic High School and Religion + CALM were required to graduate.

[firebane]

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Pacman does not equal grand theft auto.

Pacman is a lot older than 25 years LOL. It was released in 1980

[vengie]

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Pacman is a lot older than 25 years LOL. It was released in 1980

Lol, my bad, I don't or have never really played video games.

But the fact remains, the level of violence and desensitization kids adapted to grand theft auto changed the industry/ world for that matter.

[Swank]

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I went to a Catholic High School and Religion + CALM were required to graduate.

Yep, same here in '94. Teaching about abstinence was paramount in religion class but in CALM we got the safe sex education stuff. That was my introduction to the banana being for scale and it was very disheartening

[A790]

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CALM was terrible. A790, I'm glad you may have been taught clearly more than the rest of us, and I'm so proud of you for starting your first business in Senior year.

But you are the exception, not the rule.

lol stop being so butthurt dude, or when I tell you how I sold it for 2.75x earnings two years later you'll really pop a vein. Trust me, I'm absolutely stoked that I was "clearly taught more than the rest of you" (lol at Chestermere High of all places) given the general sentiment presented in this thread.

RE: whether or not I'm the "exception vs. the rule", I don't think I have the information to debate that honestly. Maybe I did get lucky, but I find that hard to believe given the caliber of education I otherwise received at the prestigious CHS (hint: it was "okay" at best).

The point I was making is that the claim that students are not taught budgeting, taxes, etc. is straight up false. They are. In more than one subject, and in more than one year.

Now, I think the question that you and every other finger pointing person needs to answer is: what level of financial literacy can we expect from kids that do not actually have finances when we teach them about it? Secondarily, what role should the parental unit play in reinforcing these messages and presenting them in complementary ways?

RE: the current education system, how would you do it better? A common trend in these conversations is vague claims that are hard to prove/disprove ("Kids are not taught basic skills and get destroyed when they hit the real world and university.") but there's never any follow through on either A) where that observation comes from, and B) what we should be doing differently.

[lasimmon]

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When did you go to school? Every single one of my friends in catholic school took Religion instead of CALM. ?

Starting to sound like Albertas curriculum is a loose interpretation at best.

15 years ago. Religion was on top of CALM.

I did just google the Catholic requirements to graduate and its still there so your friends were lying.

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[vengie]

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lol stop being so butthurt dude, or when I tell you how I sold it for 2.75x earnings two years later you'll really pop a vein. Trust me, I'm absolutely stoked that I was "clearly taught more than the rest of you" (lol at Chestermere High of all places) given the general sentiment presented in this thread.

RE: whether or not I'm the "exception vs. the rule", I don't think I have the information to debate that honestly. Maybe I did get lucky, but I find that hard to believe given the caliber of education I otherwise received at the prestigious CHS (hint: it was "okay" at best).

The point I was making is that the claim that students are not taught budgeting, taxes, etc. is straight up false. They are. In more than one subject, and in more than one year.

Now, I think the question that you and every other finger pointing person needs to answer is: what level of financial literacy can we expect from kids that do not actually have finances when we teach them about it? Secondarily, what role should the parental unit play in reinforcing these messages and presenting them in complementary ways?

RE: the current education system, how would you do it better? A common trend in these conversations is vague claims that are hard to prove/disprove ("Kids are not taught basic skills and get destroyed when they hit the real world and university.") but there's never any follow through on either A) where that observation comes from, and B) what we should be doing differently.

Lol, I am the furthest thing from butt hurt! I don't let the internet effect my RL mood. I am a super laid back person.

I still do not agree that students are taught ANY of those skills.

Lastly, thank you for agreeing with me that parents need to be more involved in the education process to raise their snowflakes.

Edit: I don't have the time to sit on beyond and explain my philosophical beliefs on the shortcomings of our educational system to a pile of strangers who could care less anyways.

[A790]

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Lastly, thank you for agreeing with me that parents need to be more involved in the education process to raise their snowflakes.

Mate, just like sexual education, I kind of assumed that it is a given that parents would need to be more involved in this.

RE: your edit, I actually do care, hence why I skipped over your sarcasm and got back on track. I am very concerned re: the state of our society on a number of fronts, including education. Just because I think it's hogwash when people say that schools don't teach budgeting doesn't mean I don't think there are numerous ways to improve the system overall.

[suntan]

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Mate, just like sexual education, I kind of assumed that it is a given that parents would need to be more involved in this.

I think I've seen this on PornHub.

[Misterman]

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Mate, just like sexual education, I kind of assumed that it is a given that parents would need to be more involved in this.

RE: your edit, I actually do care, hence why I skipped over your sarcasm and got back on track. I am very concerned re: the state of our society on a number of fronts, including education. Just because I think it's hogwash when people say that schools don't teach budgeting doesn't mean I don't think there are numerous ways to improve the system overall.

Parents should be involved. But it's also a difficult balancing act. It's a bit of a paradox. Parents who received the same poor education on money and finances, are now supposed to teach their children about it to make up for the poor education in our school system. Doesn't really work. And to go even farther, how is a broke ass teacher that doesn't know anything about business or money, supposed to teach successful money management skills to a bunch of 14 year olds? It's the same reason there are so many shitty drivers on the road. There is no real standard. If your parents suck at driving, chances are you will too, because that's who teaches you.

There is a select few of us that break the cycle and go educate ourselves on our own when we decide we want a different outcome than what we see around us.

[killramos]

Just in the context of “broke ass teachers” that’s painting with a pretty large brush in Alberta.

My wife and her friends all get paid tons to teach. They are living it up.

Lol

[ExtraSlow]

I don't know what new teachers start at, but they top out at around 100k as far as I know, and that's with 9 weeks of vacation a year and an awesome pension. It's a hard job, but in Alberta, it pays fine.

[killramos]

A little north of that but yup that sounds about accurate.

Not double meat sub money but very good, and teachers are definitely better educated than the average person. Way better than even most university educated people even. All the people I know in teaching were major nerds who tried way harder in school than i did lol.

Heck, we just showed a thread where a guy with a BBA minoring in finance from MRU didn’t know what time value of money was. So I wouldn’t put that much stock in people educated in “business” anyways.

[Brent.ff]

Ya, once you're in full time permanent as a teacher, you're pretty well set for life..