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    This is just one example. But it happens every night from after midnight to just before 6am via iPhone. Possibly hotspotted.
    Trying to figure out because my kWh has also shot up by 60% this past month.
    Any other ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr2mike View Post
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    This is just one example. But it happens every night from after midnight to just before 6am via iPhone. Possibly hotspotted.
    Trying to figure out because my kWh has also shot up by 60% this past month.
    Any other ideas?
    At least they are trying to be somewhat SMRT about it as they likely figure no one would notice after hours.

    If the activity is representative of new connections/sockets/states etc. (and not cumulative U/L D/L) then yes, its likely the case.

    Mining BTC (or alt coins) is by no means super lucrative at the moment, but better than 6 months ago.
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    It always amazes me what people think that they can get away with. Keep us updated, would be interesting to hear what you discovered, covert or not.
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    I have mined various crypto currencies over the years and the traffic it generates is negligible. That traffic isn't from crypto mining, though there are no units on that graph so maybe that spike is much smaller than I'm thinking and it is. Though, why would it be via an iPhone? Change your wifi password and see if it continues

    My first thoughts for the traffic are that it could be torrenting or similar P2P traffic, or backups?... I mean we don't know anything about your setup so these are all guesses.

    As for figuring out your power usage - check whether you have been getting estimates or actual readings on your bill (I believe there's an E or an A for the reading type) - perhaps it's a more moderate increase over a couple months and they just caught it up on the last bill.

    The part I'm stuck on is how do you figure a bit of network traffic is causing your power bill to go up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr2mike View Post
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    Trying to figure out because my kWh has also shot up by 60% this past month.
    Wat?!
    60% higher power usage JUST on your computer, or, your entire house? Your computer could run at 111% 24/7 and not increase your entire house electricity bill by anywhere near 60%.

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    Yeah mining uses almost no actual bandwidth. It typically uses around a megabyte every few minutes and it would be steady throughout the day

    More likely someone is just torrenting and has the time set to do it at night so it doesn’t interfere with your daily traffic. Lots of computers and phones also set their auto upgrades to 1-4am when things are quieter
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    If the activity is representative of sockets/states etc. (and not cumulative U/L D/L) then yes, its likely the case.
    Not sure I know how to gain that information from my router. Can you actually see that?

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    I have mined various crypto currencies over the years and the traffic it generates is negligible. That traffic isn't from crypto mining, though there are no units on that graph so maybe that spike is much smaller than I'm thinking and it is. Though, why would it be via an iPhone? Change your wifi password and see if it continues

    My first thoughts for the traffic are that it could be torrenting or similar P2P traffic, or backups?... I mean we don't know anything about your setup so these are all guesses.

    As for figuring out your power usage - check whether you have been getting estimates or actual readings on your bill...
    The part I'm stuck on is how do you figure a bit of network traffic is causing your power bill to go up?
    This is a new tenant so I know who's iphone it is. Just wondering why such a high usage overnight through a phone, all the time.
    I like my Netflix and all but this trumps my FireTV setup for usage when I compare the two.

    Reviewed the bills. Since Jan 2019, they all say ACTUAL.

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    Wat?!
    60% higher power usage JUST on your computer, or, your entire house? Your computer could run at 111% 24/7 and not increase your entire house electricity bill by anywhere near 60%.
    Entire property power usage. 1 person added in Apr.
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    I know nothing about crypto mining which is why I asked.
    I mentioned the power consumption because I read headlines that crypto-mining power use is high.
    Trying to educate myself prior to speaking with new tenants.
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    Looks like they are torrenting because they are uploading quite a bit
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    Thats definitely not crypto mining with data numbers like that. Torrenting afterhours more likely.

    Now thats not to say they arent ALSO mining as well - but it wouldn't show up as massive downloads like that.

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    Torrenting, and leaving all their devices/lights powered on all the time vs the last tenant. That's my guess.
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    It's summer. Any chance they have 3 or 4 mobile air conditioners on in the house ?

    Also torrenting

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    First, going from 250kwh to 500kwh is doubling, but the amount it is doubling by is reasonable. For example, my household bounces from 2000kwh to 2250kwh monthly for a family of 4 and depending on the weather. 250kwh of additional usage is reasonable for the impact of one person. To put it into perspective, the average residential fridge is about 2.5kwh per day or about 75kwhr per month. Just for a fridge. A higherish end gaming computer under full load (1200w PSU) will consume about 1.2kwh. Multiply that by 4 hours of gaming a night and that can add 36kwh. We are almost half way there and havent talked about a TV, HVAC use, lights, stove/microwave, and other plug in devices.

    So i would say on the power front, this is normal.

    For the data usage, you are looking at about 300GB of added data. That is 100hrs of HD (not 4k) netflix. Which is only just over 3 hours of netflix a day which lines up with your peak usage graph almost perfectly. Maybe he is a shift worker and watches his netflix at night.


    This all seems pretty normal. Unless you are incurring substantial costs ($30 for power isn't), i would just leave it be. Try not to piss off the tenant this early in the relationship. Its hard enough to find people that give a shit about your property, best not give them a poor reason to not.

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    Thanks for the crypto vs torrent advice.
    During my conversation I'll ask about the a/c unit(s) but also go through on an inspection notice and check the bulbs are all still led and no random area heaters, heating blankets on 24/7 etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spike98 View Post
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    This all seems pretty normal. Unless you are incurring substantial costs ($30 for power isn't), i would just leave it be. Try not to piss off the tenant this early in the relationship. Its hard enough to find people that give a shit about your property, best not give them a poor reason to not.
    This. You sound like big brother watching over everything he does, just let him be. Are you going to kick him out if he has AC or changed a light bulb, his life, he can do whatever he wants. If he is running a rack of miners in the basement it's one thing, but if he is using AC or running his PC 24/7 it's within his right, don't really understand why you are being so anal about it. That's my 2c

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    Probably just iCLoud backup.

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    Is it a seperate unit with power and internet included? Not really much you can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eblend View Post
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    it's within his right, don't really understand why you are being so anal about it. That's my 2c
    Not willing to disclose beyond what has been discussed, building eviction case. Agreed this is minor compared with what else is going on but I need to review and document anything abnormal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr2mike View Post
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    Not willing to disclose beyond what has been discussed, building eviction case. Agreed this is minor compared with what else is going on but I need to review and document anything abnormal.
    Probably shouldn't have started this thread in the first place..
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr2mike View Post
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    Not willing to disclose beyond what has been discussed, building eviction case. Agreed this is minor compared with what else is going on but I need to review and document anything abnormal.
    Ah okay, that changes things, carry on.

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