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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarphreak View Post
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    What are you angry about?
    Decades of lies and deceit.

    I don't have a problem with people who hunt and eat their own animals though, that's your personal choice to make.

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    It think it's equally as unreasonable for a weather service to report on climate change as it is for an industry lobby group to try to control what a weather service reports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    It think it's equally as unreasonable for a weather service to report on climate change as it is for an industry lobby group to try to control what a weather service reports.
    It's just the way the world goes lol

    I like to rant sometimes on here but I certainly don't push my beliefs in real life.

    Don't like the new food guide, don't follow it. Andrew Sheer is a goddamn idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 370Z View Post
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    Don't like the new food guide, don't follow it. Andrew Sheer is a goddamn idiot.
    How much dairy did Sceheer add to the new guide? I was under the impression he is sponsored by the dairy industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 370Z View Post
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    Andrew Sheer is a goddamn idiot.
    Speaking of idiots, your disdain towards farm(er)s, shines the idiot spotlight brightly upon you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    Here's an exercise that I would find useful: actually quantifying my impact on the climate, as a fraction of a degree celsius.

    How much does the worldwide cattle industry raise the climate (in degrees celsius), and then my consumption of the cattle as a proportion of the worldwide industry. Scientific notation is fine for me, rounded to say, 3 significant digits.
    Good luck. They can't even come up with any smoking gun science to prove the existence of man made global warming, let alone quantify it by temperature rise in relation to carbon output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterman View Post
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    Good luck. They can't even come up with any smoking gun science to prove the existence of man made global warming, let alone quantify it by temperature rise in relation to carbon output.
    Cite your claims, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A790 View Post
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    Cite your claims, please.
    basically what I'm asking as well: quantification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterman View Post
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    Good luck. They can't even come up with any smoking gun science to prove the existence of man made global warming, let alone quantify it by temperature rise in relation to carbon output.
    wait what? I thought there was PLENTY of evidence for this .... at least what CNN says .... (hahah)

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    Quote Originally Posted by A790 View Post
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    Cite your claims, please.

    Cite what claims? I'm not making any claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterman View Post
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    Cite what claims? I'm not making any claims.
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    I think they are asking for YOU to cite the 'smoking gun' evidence. They are claiming there isnt any.

    Even I as a bit of a doubter (humans have certainly had SOME influence, but not to the extent that the mass media is pushing) was under the impression that mainstream scientists (and not dissenting) had produced the 'smoking gun' in their case for man-made climate change,.

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    Everyone treats climate change like a binary question - do we cause or not cause climate change through carbon emissions. That's not a particularly interesting question any more, as it is more than likely we do. I'm much more interested in the amount that we are impacting things. PEople who are worried about climate change never seem to be able to actually quantify the impact controlled for other possible variables.

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    You guys should read this article as it really explains the water footprint of beef production. It also compares beef water footprint to other crop footprints.

    https://www.beefresearch.ca/blog/cattle-feed-water-use/
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    Quote Originally Posted by 16hypen3sp View Post
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    You guys should read this article as it really explains the water footprint of beef production. It also compares beef water footprint to other crop footprints.

    https://www.beefresearch.ca/blog/cattle-feed-water-use/
    They should mention about the methane production that the average cow produces .... haha (its actually significant enough to be detected by satellites in space over some of the larger ranches)

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    I think they are asking for YOU to cite the 'smoking gun' evidence. They are claiming there isnt any.

    Even I as a bit of a doubter (humans have certainly had SOME influence, but not to the extent that the mass media is pushing) was under the impression that mainstream scientists (and not dissenting) had produced the 'smoking gun' in their case for man-made climate change,.

    It's funny that when it comes to climate change, people completely forget how scientific method works. The person making the claim is the one required to provide data to corroborate their claim. It's not up to everyone else to provide data to refute your claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A790 View Post
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    Cite your claims, please.
    http://joannenova.com.au/global-warm...ce-core-graph/

    This is also the same person who believes NASA is only good for reading thermometers, which is probably only half-true. They also do some space stuff.

    A more informative read: https://science2017.globalchange.gov/chapter/3/

    But back on topic, seems like TWN has attempted to delete/back-pedal on their comments after the beef industry yelled at them.
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    Also when land is cleared, or barren of trees for cattle; water run off becomes more of an issue especially if over grazed. However cloven hooved animals actually improve this by punching small holes in the ground, which then collect water and allow it to absorb more rather than run straight off. Proper grazing management further helps this, by moving animals to fresh grass before they eat the current field to the ground.

    They break some over, and stomp some in - this creates ground cover holding moisture longer, and creates more of a mat allowing biodiversity to flourish and creating healthier soil. Which at the end of the day captures more carbon from the atmosphere. And not only that, but then grows back faster for the next time the cattle come thru, which out competes weeds, and the cattle eat more uniformly across a field and spread their manure more as they do. So proper management makes this whole process work, and work better the better it's managed. Same as when the bison used to migrate thru an area, and then move on. The days of sticking too many cows in a field and having it eaten to nothing are mistakes of the past.

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    Also have you tried their meat? They taste incredible!

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