Trump, his bullshit never stops

[SportEL]

We'll see where it goes from there. America's responsiblity isn't to police the World. Muslims be killing Muslims till the end of time all because their prophet had no succession plan.

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He's also the only "business man" I can think of that couldn't run a profitable CASINO, in Atlantic City of all places lol. All of them failed. Thousands lost their jobs and contractors didn't get paid (he has a long history of not paying people for their services). Business is not his strong point. I have also read he is broke, but I haven't been able to find any proper sources on that. He keeps losing law suits and has had to pay out a ton of money as a result, so that must be hurting.

Don't forget the fact that he's been providing different revenue numbers for his properties to lenders than what he reported to the IRS for tax purposes.

Trump Organization fudged revenue and occupancy figures on buildings to reduce tax bill for financial gain

The different sets of numbers on expenses, profits and occupancy figures resulted in the two buildings appearing more lucrative to lenders and less so to city officials assessing property taxes, ProPublica found in an investigation published Wednesday. ProPublica obtained the property tax documents through the state of New York's Freedom of Information Act law and loan records after Trump's lender sold the debt on the properties, making them public.

According to ProPublica, Trump's company reported to New York City tax officials that it made about $822,000 in 2017 renting out space in the Trump International Hotel and Tower -- which Trump owns only a portion of -- to two commercial tenants. However, the company told Ladder Capital that it made $1.67 million that same year — more than twice as much reported to tax authorities

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/16/polit...ies/index.html

[Mitsu3000gt]

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Don't forget the fact that he's been providing different revenue numbers for his properties to lenders than what he reported to the IRS for tax purposes.




https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/16/polit...ies/index.html

Yeah I remember reading something about that too, good link. The subpoenas for his taxes have all been upheld in court so far, so it shouldn't be long now. His appeals have all been denied so far too. All this is costing him an unbelievable amount of money and having zero impact on the outcome.

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turnip man would have released his financial data, if it was that great, by now .....would have been another opportunity to 'look at me and my greatness'

[sabad66]

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Before I just assumed they'd have a 'trial' and stall everything and de-credit every witness and then clear him but the more things with Turkey and Syria snowball I'm really hoping it wakes up some of the republicans to how incompetent Trump is and how damaging he is to the GOP. Maybe this is the perfect storm where they can ditch him and run another candidate for 2020

i'm still not expecting 2/3 of the senate to vote to remove. At the end of the day, senators want to keep their cushy jobs and red state senators probably won't be willing to risk it.

[SportEL]

Trump didn't have to run for President and have to endure all this hate. He actually lost money from being President, while Politicians become multi millionares from corruption like Obama and Pelosi. Trump donates his whole paycheque every quarter to various causes. The thing is he loves the country more than all these American Hating politicians that would rather America go under. Meanwhile, Trump has brought wealth and jobs to America for all with the lowest unemployment numbers ever for Blacks, Hispanics, and women, the things people actually care about, while people love to hate him because they must hate their miserable lives and America.

[Mitsu3000gt]

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turnip man would have released his financial data, if it was that great, by now .....just another opportunity to 'look at me and my greatness'

The interesting thing about literally EVERYTHING he does in private is that he fights tooth and nail to prevent people from seeing it or finding out about it, so you know he has something to hide. At the same time he keeps saying "most transparent president ever", "totally legal, totally cool". I don't think he even realizes how guilty it makes him look to be honest. Remember, he prioritized hiring a team of personal tax lawyers to help fight all the illegal tax shit he's done over the appointment of the US attorney general. He really, really, does not want people to see his taxes, and now we are going to after he's wasted millions of dollars trying to prevent it.

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i'm still not expecting 2/3 of the senate to vote to remove. At the end of the day, senators want to keep their cushy jobs and red state senators probably won't be willing to risk it.

0% chance of senate removing him because it's party over country, no matter the consequence. More and more republicans are speaking out against him, but are unlikely to vote in favor of removal. We can maybe raise that to a 1% chance, given that I don't think there are many republican senators who really want to be remembered as Trump supporters in the coming years when he inevitably goes down as by far the worst and most corrupt president in US history - that may affect their own jobs in the future.

The dems won't want this to actually go to a vote for 3 man reasons:

1) The republicans will get subpoena power if they do, and will do everything in their power to waste time

2) When the vote fails due to the republican senate, that will be a big boost for Trump in 2020 "look everyone, they tried to remove me but since I did nothing wrong, they couldn't!" Never mind the fact that he could have killed a baby on national TV and republican senators wouldn't vote him out, and his base would complement him on his skill.

3) Senators from "purple" states don't want to have to go on record picking a "side" in order to maximize their votes. If they go on record as either supporting or opposing Trump (via senate vote), they immediately lose partial support from the respective opposite base. If there is no vote, they can keep status quo and play both sides. The dems can get their support on other things if they aren't forced to pick a side.

[SportEL]

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i'm still not expecting 2/3 of the senate to vote to remove. At the end of the day, senators want to keep their cushy jobs and red state senators probably won't be willing to risk it.

You can't vote to remove on a baseless assertion. Only deluded people would vote to remove. Many know the truth and can read the Transcript themselves.

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Trump didn't have to run for President and have to endure all this hate. He actually lost money from being President, while Politicians become multi millionares from corruption like Obama and Pelosi. Trump donates his whole paycheque every quarter to various causes. The thing is he loves the country more than all these American Hating politicians that would rather America go under. Meanwhile, Trump has brought wealth and jobs to America for all with the lowest unemployment numbers ever for Blacks, Hispanics, and women, the things people actually care about, while people love to hate him because they must hate their miserable lives and America.

See thats the bigger picture. Is America hurting under Trump from a financial/economic point? Has American fought more or less wars under him? Obama had zero days of peace while in office.

The fact the MSM/deepstate utterly despise him is another reason, even though hes an egotistical maniac and good at theater/showmanship, I would prefer turnip man over killary.

He might be corrupt and complicit in some ways, but hes doing this in the open, whereas the rest of the Washington crowd hides their true intentions. I dont see him as being any more or less 'corrupt' in lining his own pockets than any other DC elite. The CGI (clintons) was linked to various financial schemes benefiting very shady people and groups.

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Trump didn't have to run for President and have to endure all this hate. He actually lost money from being President, while Politicians become multi millionares from corruption like Obama and Pelosi. Trump donates his whole paycheque every quarter to various causes. The thing is he loves the country more than all these American Hating politicians that would rather America go under. Meanwhile, Trump has brought wealth and jobs to America for all with the lowest unemployment numbers ever for Blacks, Hispanics, and women, the things people actually care about, while people love to hate him because they must hate their miserable lives and America.

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, edgy( comedy) or just plain f&cking retarded!

[sabad66]

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The dems won't want this to actually go to a vote

Do you mean the vote to start the inquiry (which they already didn't do and started anyways), or do you mean the actual vote to impeach after the inquiry comes up with all the articles for impeachment? Either way i don't see any way for House Democrats to kill this off without looking like complete idiots, so i think House will vote to impeach even though they know very well it will fail. Even Mitch has already told Senate republicans to expect it.

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You can't vote to remove on a baseless assertion. Only deluded people would vote to remove. Many know the truth and can read the Transcript themselves.

I've read the transcript and my opinion is it's borderline impeachable on its own. When you add in all the other info from the testimony and guiliani's bullshit, it seals the deal. I'm sure you also saw the critical mistake that his chief of staff made yesterday... that's not going to help either. (any bets on how long until mulvaney resigns or is pushed out after that?)

He's going to need a miracle to avoid impeachment at this point.

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We'll see where it goes from there. America's responsiblity isn't to police the World. Muslims be killing Muslims till the end of time all because their prophet had no succession plan.

Promises kept you say? Who knew Don jr was a beyonder

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKBN1WQ21Z

[SportEL]

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I've read the transcript and my opinion is it's borderline impeachable on its own. When you add in all the other info from the testimony and guiliani's bullshit, it seals the deal. I'm sure you also saw the critical mistake that his chief of staff made yesterday... that's not going to help either. (any bets on how long until mulvaney resigns or is pushed out after that?)

He's going to need a miracle to avoid impeachment at this point.

Oh, I didn't know that you can't ask someone to look into corruption on an ongoing investigation. That's against the law? Or Is that because the person in question who actually was seen on video bragging about his corruption is running for President, so you can't do that? Or you can only ask to investigate after the election? Does the same rules apply if the person is alleged to be a murderer/rapist so you can't investigate because they're running for President?

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Do you mean the vote to start the inquiry (which they already didn't do and started anyways), or do you mean the actual vote to impeach after the inquiry comes up with all the articles for impeachment? Either way i don't see any way for House Democrats to kill this off without looking like complete idiots, so i think House will vote to impeach even though they know very well it will fail. Even Mitch has already told Senate republicans to expect it.

I mean an actual removal vote. Opening an inquiry was the obvious and smart thing to do because as I mentioned earlier it gives them lots of power to fast-track things without having to wait on the court system as much. That was their goal there.

They know a vote in the senate to remove will fail (well, 99.9% chance and then they're still left with Pence unless he is also implicated in the Ukraine debacle).

Basically what they want to do is use their inquiry powers to expose as much illegal activity as possible so the public can make an informed decision in 2020. The republicans are telling them to shit or get off the pot because A) they know the removal vote will fail and B) it will give them subpoena power.

It might go to vote, and if it does it will promptly fail since they need 2/3 majority to remove. Then what I said earlier happens - Trump uses that as his running point in 2020 ("cleared of all wrong doing, totally innocent") and the disaster repeats.

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Promises kept you say? Who knew Don jr was a beyonder

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKBN1WQ21Z

I only agree against holding a pressense against Iran as they threaten America. I don't agree with helping Saudi Arabia if not for how any attacks affect oil prices.

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Oh, I didn't know that you can't ask someone to look into corruption on an ongoing investigation. That's against the law? Or Is that because the person in question who actually was seen on video bragging about his corruption is running for President, so you can't do that? Or you can only ask to investigate after the election? Does the same rules apply if the person is alleged to be a murderer/rapist so you can't investigate because they're running for President?

Yes, you can't withhold funds that have already been appropriated by Congress (remember - an equal branch of gov't) on the condition of digging up dirt on your political opponents. Anyways I think we are both fully aware we are never going to convince each other so lets just agree to disagree.

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I mean an actual removal vote. Opening an inquiry was the obvious and smart thing to do because as I mentioned earlier it gives them lots of power to fast-track things without having to wait on the court system as much. That was their goal there.

They know a vote in the senate to remove will fail (well, 99.9% chance and then they're still left with Pence unless he is also implicated in the Ukraine debacle).

Basically what they want to do is use their inquiry powers to expose as much illegal activity as possible so the public can make an informed decision in 2020. The republicans are telling them to shit or get off the pot because A) they know the removal vote will fail and B) it will give them subpoena power.

It might go to vote, and if it does it will promptly fail since they need 2/3 majority to remove. Then what I said earlier happens - Trump uses that as his running point in 2020 ("cleared of all wrong doing, totally innocent") and the disaster repeats.

So you think they will just keep this as just an impeachment inquiry and never take it further to a full House vote with the articles of impeachment so it never makes it to the Senate trial? I suppose its possible but i think that's the wrong move personally and would only serve to further validate republican talking points of "wasting time instead of working on improving america" and "witch hunt". If a failed Senate trial helps Trump win in 2020 then so be it, but at least the House did their part and it would be written in history that he was impeached.

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So you think they will just keep this as just an impeachment inquiry and never take it further to a full House vote with the articles of impeachment so it never makes it to the Senate trial? I suppose its possible but i think that's the wrong move personally and would only serve to further validate republican talking points of "wasting time instead of working on improving america" and "witch hunt". If a failed Senate trial helps Trump win in 2020 then so be it, but at least the House did their part and it would be written in history that he was impeached.

There's no way they let things just sit idle. That would be suicide 2020 elections. They'll continue to investigate the inquiry and possibly try to build out the obstruction of justice charge sufficiently or hope things keep cracking and people decide to testify against the whitehouses stonewalling. Then it'll pass the vote and go to the senate to at the very least have everyone on record voting for or against so that they have to publicly side with Trump.

Lots of republicans are sitting quietly right now and avoiding the discussion. I think that says a lot (as opposed to the Mueller stuff when everyone was pushing their narrative/angles)

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So you think they will just keep this as just an impeachment inquiry and never take it further to a full House vote with the articles of impeachment so it never makes it to the Senate trial? I suppose its possible but i think that's the wrong move personally and would only serve to further validate republican talking points of "wasting time instead of working on improving america" and "witch hunt". If a failed Senate trial helps Trump win in 2020 then so be it, but at least the House did their part and it would be written in history that he was impeached.

I don't know for sure what they'll do, it's still up in the air. I think it would be very bad for them if it got taken to a vote, but they are in pretty deep now and may have no choice even though the outcome is all but predetermined.

Regarding the "wasting time" and "which hunt" rhetoric (Not saying its coming from you), trump spends approximately 60% of his time playing golf or other non-presidential activities with millions of taxpayer dollars (was $85M last year) paying his transportation & security, and the "witch hunt" he regularly references has led to almost 40 indictments (more pending) and made money for the country. It's not a witch hunt if you get dozens of results. In contrast, the Hillary inquiry (which the republicans still won't let die) resulted in an 800-page report with zero indictments, and cost over $100M.

Every move is calculated though - I'm sure the dems knew it might result in actually having to take it to vote, but they obviously still believed that exposing more of Trump's blatantly illegal activities and limitless impeachable offenses outweighs possibly having to take a loss with the senate vote.

I do genuinely believe he'll be gone in 2020, and I also think that is the time to do it - not with a possible backfire vote.

I also think if a better republican candidate runs against him in 2020 that could actually be good for the republicans and they would have a higher chance of winning. If you notice how quiet many of the republican senators have been, many of them are trying to distance themselves from him - give them another candidate to latch on to and they probably would. Just look at how many people close to Trump have been fired, indicted, put in prison, or otherwise had their lives ruined - nobody wants to be associated with him.

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I only agree against holding a pressense against Iran as they threaten America. I don't agree with helping Saudi Arabia if not for how any attacks affect oil prices.

How exactly does Iran threaten America?

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How exactly does Iran threaten America?

I believe it has more to do with threatening Americas interests.