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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    He's hardly unassailable in his use of the language. I know that. Just saying there's usually more truth than the TDS crew realizes.
    Really, I always thought Trump was a cunning linguist! And you are correct...he was definitely referring to deaths and the % numbers are super low, even in the US where they have the most deaths for a nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    Well, 200,000 is a lot, but is it a lot compared to normal death rate for the entire population?

    He's probably closer to truthful than you think.
    I don't doubt the truthfulness of his statement but it certainly diminishes how all of this has affected the country as a whole. Like I said, got to keep the focus elsewhere. Optics.

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    Focusing on optics rather than truth is how you end up with Trudeau
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    guessing who I might be, psychologizing me with your non existent degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Focusing on optics rather than truth is how you end up with Trudeau
    It's also how you end up with Trump though. His entire life has been about optics.

    I wouldn't wish either leader upon any country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    Well, 200,000 is a lot, but is it a lot compared to normal death rate for the entire population?

    He's probably closer to truthful than you think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by max_boost View Post
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    How many of those 200k had one foot in already
    If someone has cancer and dies in a car accident, how should we codify their cause of death?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A790 View Post
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    If someone has cancer and dies in a car accident, how should we codify their cause of death?
    Dunno, would the car accident have killed them if they didn’t have cancer?

    The real stat I want to see, is expected geriatric deaths based on historicals and age demographic distribution compared to the actual deaths this year due to covid. My expectation is the delta is actually very small.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Dunno, would the car accident have killed them if they didn’t have cancer?

    The real stat I want to see, is expected geriatric deaths based on historicals and age demographic distribution compared to the actual deaths this year due to covid. My expectation is the delta is actually very small.
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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A790 View Post
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    If someone has cancer and dies in a car accident, how should we codify their cause of death?
    Covid-19 obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Dunno, would the car accident have killed them if they didn’t have cancer?

    The real stat I want to see, is expected geriatric deaths based on historicals and age demographic distribution compared to the actual deaths this year due to covid. My expectation is the delta is actually very small.
    We have that data. It's not that small.

    Although it will be interesting to see if it normalizes over time. Will the old fart death rate be below than average next year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedog View Post
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    One of his latest statements, "Hardly anyone affected."

    Over 200,000 dead in the good old US of A but that's hardly anyone affected. Put into perpective, that's the populations of Red Deer and Lethbridge wiped out. Almost a sixth of Calgary's population, more than a quarter of Washington DC's population.

    But I do get it as it's all election posturing, got to keep the focus elsewhere.
    2.8M per year in the US, I guess the only valuable measure will be to see what if any increase this has caused and we won't know that for a while. I doubt that all 200K Covid deaths are ones that wouldn't have happened otherwise, some for sure but it will take time to figure the real number out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Dunno, would the car accident have killed them if they didn’t have cancer?

    The real stat I want to see, is expected geriatric deaths based on historicals and age demographic distribution compared to the actual deaths this year due to covid. My expectation is the delta is actually very small.
    Those numbers are already out there and published... I don't want to interrupt the whole Trump good Covid is a conspiracy derail going on here but if anything the number of reported deaths is significantly under reported in the US. Year to year to date there's something like 200-300k excess deaths versus previous historical data.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...tm_term=070120

    Anyways let's not let science and statistics get in the way of saying everything is all lies/fake news and shoving our heads in the sand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazdavirgin View Post
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    Those numbers are already out there and published... I don't want to interrupt the whole Trump good Covid is a conspiracy derail going on here but if anything the number of reported deaths is significantly under reported in the US. Year to year to date there's something like 200-300k excess deaths versus previous historical data.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...tm_term=070120.
    Good information as a response.


    Quote Originally Posted by mazdavirgin View Post
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    Anyways let's not let science and statistics get in the way of saying everything is all lies/fake news and shoving our heads in the sand...
    Trump level hyperbole as a reaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mazdavirgin View Post
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    Those numbers are already out there and published... I don't want to interrupt the whole Trump good Covid is a conspiracy derail going on here but if anything the number of reported deaths is significantly under reported in the US. Year to year to date there's something like 200-300k excess deaths versus previous historical data.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...tm_term=070120

    Anyways let's not let science and statistics get in the way of saying everything is all lies/fake news and shoving our heads in the sand...
    There was a graph out there (can't find it now) the shows deviation of expected deaths in US from all causes.

    Most years are slightly over or under but 2020 tip the scale on the wrong side. But it doesn't stop this narrative from being repeated tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    He's hardly unassailable in his use of the language. I know that. Just saying there's usually more truth than the TDS crew realizes. Plus he's not at all unique in his hyperbole. Look at Mr. Trudeau yesterday and inspect his statements.
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    Focusing on optics rather than truth is how you end up with Trudeau
    TDS has cross border applications I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazdavirgin View Post
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    Those numbers are already out there and published... I don't want to interrupt the whole Trump good Covid is a conspiracy derail going on here but if anything the number of reported deaths is significantly under reported in the US. Year to year to date there's something like 200-300k excess deaths versus previous historical data.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...tm_term=070120
    Cool, first I have seen that data will be great to dig into. Doesn’t change that fact that no one is talking about it and and the status quo from the media is to sensationalize the total covid death number.
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    Quote Originally Posted by max_boost View Post
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    How many of those 200k had one foot in already
    It was something like 80-90% had serious, preexisting conditions - someone posted stats in another thread already - basically folks who would have died of flu/pneumonia.

    From a broad perspective, in North America, it really is the disease of the care/nursing home...... but i digress.

    Trump is full of shit sometimes (or, speaks without a filter) but why is no one here mentioning the shit that Biden is peddling out as well?

    Its like a war of senility vs dementia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRSC00LUDE View Post
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    Trump level hyperbole as a reaction.
    I'm just frustrated that there's clear evidence out there but when stuff doesn't fit the narrative it's conveniently ignored or flat out lied about. This isn't a question of politics it's straight up insanity to treat a pandemic as a partisan issue like the republicans have framed the whole thing. Really feels like the US is staring in idiocracy sometimes with this whole stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    Trump is full of shit sometimes (or, speaks without a filter) but why is no one here mentioning the shit that Biden is peddling out as well?

    Its like a war of senility vs dementia.
    They are in the Election 2020 thread. Why would they talk about it in the Orange Man Bad thread? Feel free to start a Sleepy Joe Bad thread.

    And yes, they are both losing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tik-Tok View Post
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    They are in the Election 2020 thread. Why would they talk about it in the Orange Man Bad thread? Feel free to start a Sleepy Joe Bad thread.

    And yes, they are both losing it.
    I would argue that biden is heading downhill much faster than trump - its almost elder abuse at this point.

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