Quantcast
Climate change discussion. - Beyond.ca - Car Forums
Page 1 of 14 1 2 11 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 280

Thread: Climate change discussion.

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    IAH bar
    My Ride
    UA6295 seat 22A
    Posts
    6,352
    Rep Power
    28

    Default Climate change discussion.

    Is it real? Is it human-caused? Can we do anything? Should we do anything? What's the best plan?

    Discuss.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    S.E. (not the drrty south)
    My Ride
    Blandness
    Posts
    7,072
    Rep Power
    26

    Default

    Aka: keep out of my $30 bbl thread, thread.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    IAH bar
    My Ride
    UA6295 seat 22A
    Posts
    6,352
    Rep Power
    28

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Calgary
    My Ride
    Fiesta ST
    Posts
    820
    Rep Power
    11

    Default

    Nolan

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Location
    Calgmonton/AB
    Posts
    326
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Is it real? Is it human-caused? Can we do anything? Should we do anything? What's the best plan?

    Discuss.
    There's no question it's really really really human caused. How else could so many grocery-store-tabloid fodder celebrities and a sour-faced Scandinavian teenager be so convinced?

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Calgary
    My Ride
    Fiesta ST
    Posts
    820
    Rep Power
    11

    Default

    It'll be interesting to look back at a lot of the mistakes we made as a society.

    Like paper grocery bags were phased out in favor of plastic to 'save the trees' and just now we are trying to phase out plastic bags because they are much worse.

    Starbucks redesigning their cups to get rid of the straws but actually use more plastic
    Nolan

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Vancouver/Calgary
    My Ride
    '13 GT1R
    Posts
    40
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    There isn't anything to discuss.

    GT1R. [email protected]
    Mission

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    IAH bar
    My Ride
    UA6295 seat 22A
    Posts
    6,352
    Rep Power
    28

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by pheoxs View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Starbucks redesigning their cups to get rid of the boobies
    the greatest mistake in the history of peoplekind

  9. #9
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    S.E. (not the drrty south)
    My Ride
    Blandness
    Posts
    7,072
    Rep Power
    26

    Default

    Just wait until the first victim of a paper straw emergency tracheostomy happens.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Vancouver/Calgary
    My Ride
    '13 GT1R
    Posts
    40
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    the greatest mistake in the history of peoplekind
    Undeniably, it's the straws at A&W. I keep my Mcdonalds straws for the event.
    GT1R. [email protected]
    Mission

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Calgary
    My Ride
    A slow bike & an even slower car.
    Posts
    6,249
    Rep Power
    26

    Default

    @dirtsniffer

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtsniffer View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Ok. I generally think this site is generally able to have a discussion. Maybe I read your post as too much as a personal attack and maybe that's not how it was meant.

    I am not a climate change denier or cherry picking arguments, nor am I living under a rock or clinging to a dying industry.

    I am for the phase out of coal power, and I'm not against pointing out the hypocrisy of exporting thermal coal if we're trying to avoid burning it for power.

    Not the place, for sure. Pheoxs, I am saying that the size of the country is a significant factor in our emissions, using data that's available. Anyways I won't post again.
    Not a direct personal attack, but very sarcastic- granted. Let's reset.

    My POV re: climate change and fossil fuels:

    1) We need fossil fuels for essential materials we cannot reasonably replace right now (plastic, petrochemicals, solvents, etc.)

    2) We have other, less harmful ways of generating electricity. Many of these ways are price competitive with fossil fuels, while others require subsidisation to be economically viable (right now).

    3) Our society needs to accept what climate change is (and isn't) and that our focus now needs to be on mitigating further escalation as much as possible while also looking for ways to adapt to the "new normal"... whatever that winds up being.

    4) Canada has an obligation to lead this charge for a few reasons:

    a) We are among the highest-per capita emmissions producers, and if we expect other countries to play ball, we should put our money where our mouth is.
    b) We have the means, both economically and technologically, to realize the changes needed
    c) We have an economic interest in the above (clean technology is a massive industry that we more or less choose not to participate in)
    d) We have a sovereign interest (the more the arctic melts, the more exposed we become as the arctic becomes more accessible to hostile foreign actors)

    5) We need to immediately phase out coal-power and, at the very least, replace it with natural gas (as an interim solution). Brookfield/TransAlta are doing this to some extent already.

    6) Alberta, and to a lesser-extent the rest of Canada, should be looking to diversify the economy by incentivizing other industries to develop her. The NDP were doing a decent job of this (the tech grants, for example) but the Cons killed most of those. Regardless, our economy cannot rely on a one-horse and needs to diversify at some point. Why not now?

    --

    The conversation needs to shift to being both realistic (vs. inflammatory) and actionable. The time to discuss whether or not climate change is real has passed. Overwhelming evidence says it is. The questions now are "what do we do about it" and "how do we minimize consequences".

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Location
    Calgary
    My Ride
    2006 Nissan Titan
    Posts
    56
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    @pheoxs QUOTE=pheoxs;4819376]So by your logic we should just give up and do nothing despite the fact that Canada does have control over its own emissions.[/QUOTE

    No, I think what he is saying is that we are doing a lot of great things for climate change through innovation in the industry. There are lots of developing nations who could take advantage of what Canada has to offer that are considerably better than their current options. This would help impoverished nations raise wealth (GDP) and reduce global emissions at the same time. The climate is a global problem requiring a global solution. Like was said in the last thread. We could have zero emissions in Canada, but that's not stopping other nations to do what it takes to stay alive. Re: burn coal.

    What greater good would that doing?

    #politicalbs
    Last edited by arcticcat522; 09-23-2019 at 08:09 PM.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Calgary
    My Ride
    GLA
    Posts
    1,744
    Rep Power
    24

    Default

    There are 4 relevant questions:

    1. IS the climate changing?: yes
    2. Do humans contribute to the change?: almost certainly yes.
    3. Is it a crisis?: A much more difficult question to answer
    4 Is there anything we can do about it?: From a policy perspective, likely not. From a market perspective, maybe.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Location
    Calgary
    My Ride
    2006 Nissan Titan
    Posts
    56
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    There are 4 relevant questions:

    1. IS the climate changing?: yes
    2. Do humans contribute to the change?: almost certainly yes.
    3. Is it a crisis?: A much more difficult question to answer
    4 Is there anything we can do about it?: From a policy perspective, likely not. From a market perspective, maybe.
    4a. What's the best thing Canada can do about it?: export a cleaner source at a competitive rate with far superior tech.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    IAH bar
    My Ride
    UA6295 seat 22A
    Posts
    6,352
    Rep Power
    28

    Default

    Global emissions GO down when we export more energy, because we are displacing even dirtier shit.

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Location
    Calgary
    My Ride
    2006 Nissan Titan
    Posts
    56
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Global emissions GO down when we export more energy, because we are displacing even dirtier shit.
    That's been my main point. Good summary!

    I want to know what the other sides argument to the contrary is.

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Calgary
    My Ride
    A slow bike & an even slower car.
    Posts
    6,249
    Rep Power
    26

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by arcticcat522 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    That's been my main point. Good summary!

    I want to know what the other sides argument to the contrary is.
    "We're trying to put a band-aid on a stab wound."

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Jan 1970
    Location
    YYC
    My Ride
    2 x E Class Benz
    Posts
    21,022
    Rep Power
    5

    Default

    My favorite part of this is that if climate change is as catastrophic and crisis as we’re led to believe, Alberta will be one of the best places on the planet to inhabit. The irony.
    Originally posted by SEANBANERJEE
    I have gone above and beyond what I should rightfully have to do to protect my good name

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Calgary
    My Ride
    Silverado
    Posts
    2,392
    Rep Power
    16

    Default

    @A790

    I generally agree with what you're saying. I think a carbon tax is a reasonable way to fund projects that will lower emissions, I prefer infrastructure projects like public transit. I don't think half of the population should get tax credits, if this is that important, way more of the population should be contributing. Things like paying a company to change faucets and lightbulbs is a waste of resources.

    Alberta needs to diversify. Lowering the tax rate was a good start but we can look additional grants or tax exemptions for other industries to start.

    We need to be exporting LNG and getting developing countries off coal. We are missing an opportunity here to both increase investments in Canada while lowering CO2 emissions. I brought up the thermal coal exports because of LNG opposition in BC while they continue to increase thermal coal exports.
    Last edited by dirtsniffer; 09-23-2019 at 10:14 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gestalt View Post
    Im the one with a learning disability....

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Calgary
    My Ride
    Silverado
    Posts
    2,392
    Rep Power
    16

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by pheoxs View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    It'll be interesting to look back at a lot of the mistakes we made as a society.

    Like paper grocery bags were phased out in favor of plastic to 'save the trees' and just now we are trying to phase out plastic bags because they are much worse.

    Starbucks redesigning their cups to get rid of the straws but actually use more plastic
    I read an article recently that said you need to reuse a cotton bag 3000 times to make it more environmentally friendly than PE bags.
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/paper...b0796a95d88b5f

    Also:

    Green party photoshops metal straw and reusable cup into picture of Elizabeth May.

    https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...-elizabeth-may
    Last edited by dirtsniffer; 09-23-2019 at 10:25 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gestalt View Post
    Im the one with a learning disability....

Page 1 of 14 1 2 11 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Climate change deniers rejoice! Pine Forests save the day...

    By Toma in forum Society / Law / Current Events / Politics
    Replies: 3
    Latest Threads: 03-05-2014, 04:44 PM
  2. WTF??!?! Big business joins scientists in climate change conspiracy??!?!?!

    By FixedGear in forum Society / Law / Current Events / Politics
    Replies: 15
    Latest Threads: 01-24-2014, 04:30 PM
  3. The two faces of climate change denialism, and a solution to fit both

    By Legless_Marine2 in forum Society / Law / Current Events / Politics
    Replies: 6
    Latest Threads: 12-17-2009, 12:59 AM
  4. Climate Change Unproven: Danielle Smith Wildrose Alliance Leader

    By kenny in forum Society / Law / Current Events / Politics
    Replies: 40
    Latest Threads: 12-09-2009, 07:36 PM
  5. Another View on Climate Change

    By eb0i in forum Society / Law / Current Events / Politics
    Replies: 26
    Latest Threads: 02-27-2007, 08:16 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •