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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyL View Post
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    But they have guidelines for "sustainable investing" if they're following the we need to destroy our domestic industries mandate... then is it ok to be investing in those industries that are supposedly going to kill us within our lifetime (if you believe the scientist scaremongering)?

    Are we investing in asbestos mines in china too? Child labour sweat shops? Seems odd that we're investing money in china while we have canadian citizens in custody over the huawei mess... You'd think all those investments would have been immediately stopped until resolved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A790 View Post
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    Of course I read it- all of it, which includes the portions surrounding carbon emissions. I never said it answered every question. I said start there because the causes of climate change are varied and the situation itself is nuanced and complex. Not everything boils down to a single answer. By the way, it's pretty hilarious to me that you call NASA propaganda but then post a link to a podcast on 2GB as if that's even remotely comparable.
    Exactly, it's not one single thing that causes climate/weather. So why would you quote me an article trying to pitch the ol carbon claim after me saying that it's not one thing, unless your intention was to communicate how bad CO2 is?

    I would love to hear your explanation of why you feel the author of your NASA article is such a trustworthy empirical source? Most people will say because "Scientists, and science things"

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    Then again, you're the same science denier that loves to talk at me (and others) for reasons I don't really care to explore. Not the first time we've had this conversation, but it'll be the last.

    BTW, rage has set it up so you can ignore mods. Feel free to do so
    The only people denying science are the ones running around with pitch forks screaming the world is going to end because we drive SUV's. The only "science" supporting CO2/man made climate change appears to be anecdotal at best. But god knows you wouldn't read anything past your one NASA link.

    You're quite welcome to ignore me if it's causing you that much emotional pain and helps you stay nice and cozy in your echo chamber. I'm not a thin skinned pussy that can't handle alternative opinions, I don't need to ignore people.
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    I pointed this putz out awhile ago. Glad our war room is going after him.
    https://www.660citynews.com/2019/12/...te-campaigner/

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr2mike View Post
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    I pointed this putz out awhile ago. Glad our war room is going after him.
    https://www.660citynews.com/2019/12/...te-campaigner/

    I never looked into the guy to see if it was justified going after him, but I was glad to see that they are at least doing something, and quick about it, with all that money Kenney spent on this war room.

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    Guy is small potatoes. Obviously they are too afraid to take on David Suzuki, there is a definite chance that even with 30 million worth of funding, they would lose it all in litigation if they went up against the Nature of Things. Jane Fonda is also back, and I don't think any amount of money would be useful there.

    Money don't buy as much political pull as it used to. US president is getting into the Billion dollar range.

    At some point, big oil (more to the point, combustion engine patent holders) will have to capitulate. When Telsa is 3x bigger than Ford, and has 3x more electric trucks on the road - that will probably be the day.

    By my estimation, if a standard 18650 Lithium cell gets into the 90 cent range, kiss carbon based vehicles goodbye. I have no doubt that just like how China makes a great $50 tablet, they will eventually produce an electric car of higher quality than ICE vehicles for less than $10,000 new. Based mostly on the insane number of patents, exotic materials, liquids and complexity of current vehicles.



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    Quote Originally Posted by mr2mike View Post
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    I pointed this putz out awhile ago. Glad our war room is going after him.
    https://www.660citynews.com/2019/12/...te-campaigner/
    Look at the big balls on Kenney!!! 30 million. Sons lawfirm, full backing of government ... Going after a kid that lived in his car to finance his passion and environmental stewardship.

    Hahahahahahaha.

    Kenney will look even more wienerish because the kid is presenting data and not lying and crooking like Kenney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenOps View Post
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    Guy is small potatoes. Obviously they are too afraid to take on David Suzuki, there is a definite chance that even with 30 million worth of funding, they would lose it all in litigation if they went up against the Nature of Things. Jane Fonda is also back, and I don't think any amount of money would be useful there.

    Money don't buy as much political pull as it used to. US president is getting into the Billion dollar range.

    At some point, big oil (more to the point, combustion engine patent holders) will have to capitulate. When Telsa is 3x bigger than Ford, and has 3x more electric trucks on the road - that will probably be the day.

    By my estimation, if a standard 18650 Lithium cell gets into the 90 cent range, kiss carbon based vehicles goodbye. I have no doubt that just like how China makes a great $50 tablet, they will eventually produce an electric car of higher quality than ICE vehicles for less than $10,000 new. Based mostly on the insane number of patents, exotic materials, liquids and complexity of current vehicles.



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    You keep talking about lithium Ion, I figured you would be up on this whole glass based battery tech on the rise. Without this electric cars are going nowhere fast. But once you can get 1000mi from a charge in a Tesla they will start to really become a viable option for people.

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    This should be fun at the Christmas dinner table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterman View Post
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    You keep talking about lithium Ion, I figured you would be up on this whole glass based battery tech on the rise. Without this electric cars are going nowhere fast. But once you can get 1000mi from a charge in a Tesla they will start to really become a viable option for people.
    Lol. And once they go 1000 miles, some imbecile is going to say "electric cars aren't going anywhere till they go 2000 miles".

    Lol.

    100 miles is plenty for 99% of driving and most people don't buy their daily driver based on what they need 1% of the time. Hell, three times a year I need a good old fashioned truck. I'll rent one stupid.

    Even at that, we have electrics doing 700km. Lol. Internal combustion is good as dead. Even the big automakers see the writing on the wall .
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    National Post: John Robson: Forbes falls to cancel culture as it erases environmentalist's mea culpa.
    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/joh...ists-mea-culpa

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtsniffer View Post
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    National Post: John Robson: Forbes falls to cancel culture as it erases environmentalist's mea culpa.
    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/joh...ists-mea-culpa
    Puilling an article without any kind of statement to explain why is shitty. I can see if your a low-rent blogger, but if you're Forbes, the expectation of transparency is much greater. This doesn't do them any favors.

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    Haha, forbes is also censoring a former climage change activist who came out clean: (edit - same guy)

    "Schellenberger, a progressive, was named one of TIME's "Heroes of the Environment," while his book Break Through was heralded by WIRED as potentially "the best thing to happen to environmentalism since Rachel Carson's Silent Spring.""


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael.../#2030124f1fa8

    On behalf of environmentalists everywhere, I would like to formally apologize for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years. Climate change is happening. It’s just not the end of the world. It’s not even our most serious environmental problem. I may seem like a strange person to be saying all of this. I have been a climate activist for 20 years and an environmentalist for 30.
    But as an energy expert asked by Congress to provide objective expert testimony, and invited by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to serve as Expert Reviewer of its next Assessment Report, I feel an obligation to apologize for how badly we environmentalists have misled the public.
    Here are some facts few people know:

    • Humans are not causing a “sixth mass extinction”
    • The Amazon is not “the lungs of the world”
    • Climate change is not making natural disasters worse
    • Fires have declined 25% around the world since 2003
    • The amount of land we use for meat — humankind’s biggest use of land — has declined by an area nearly as large as Alaska
    • The build-up of wood fuel and more houses near forests, not climate change, explain why there are more, and more dangerous, fires in Australia and California
    • Carbon emissions are declining in most rich nations and have been declining in Britain, Germany, and France since the mid-1970s
    • Netherlands became rich not poor while adapting to life below sea level
    • We produce 25% more food than we need and food surpluses will continue to rise as the world gets hotter
    • Habitat loss and the direct killing of wild animals are bigger threats to species than climate change
    • Wood fuel is far worse for people and wildlife than fossil fuels
    • Preventing future pandemics requires more not less “industrial” agriculture
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    Good to know the World isn't ending and we don't need the Green New Deal. Awesome!
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    Well except Forbes took it down after 3 minutes so no one knows

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    The climate change people lost credibility when it went from science to a movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    The climate change people lost credibility when it went from science to a movement.
    That thing where the planet significantly healed from alleged irreparable damage within about 3 weeks during CoVid lockdown was also a bit of a blow.

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    Michael Schllenberger is one of the best known environmental activists in the english speaking world. Time Magazine named him one of the “Heros of the Environment.” He is regular columnist at Forbes Magazine and on June 29th wrote the following column apologizing for the over the top climate alarmism. Forbes removed the column and refused to say why but you can read it here.

    Renowned Green Activist Apologizes For The Climate Scare
    On behalf of environmentalists everywhere, I would like to formally apologize for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years. Climate change is happening.

    It’s just not the end of the world. It’s not even our most serious environmental problem.

    I may seem like a strange person to be saying all of this. I have been a climate activist for 20 years and an environmentalist for 30.

    But as an energy expert asked by Congress to provide objective expert testimony, and invited by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to serve as an Expert Reviewer of its next Assessment Report, I feel an obligation to apologize for how badly we environmentalists have misled the public.

    Here are some facts few people know:

    Humans are not causing a “sixth mass extinction”
    The Amazon is not “the lungs of the world”
    Climate change is not making natural disasters worse
    Fires have declined 25% around the world since 2003
    The amount of land we use for meat — humankind’s biggest use of land — has declined by an area nearly as large as Alaska
    The build-up of wood fuel and more houses near forests,not climate change, explain why there are more, and more dangerous, fires in Australia and California
    Carbon emissions have been declining in rich nations for decades and peaked in Britain, Germany, and France in the mid-seventies
    Adapting to life below sea level made the Netherlands rich not poor
    We produce 25% more food than we need and food surpluses will continue to rise as the world gets hotter
    Habitat loss and the direct killing of wild animals are bigger threats to species than climate change
    Wood fuel is far worse for people and wildlife than fossil fuels
    Preventing future pandemics requires more not less “industrial” agriculture
    I know that the above facts will sound like “climate denialism” to many people. But that just shows the power of climate alarmism.

    In reality, the above facts come from the best-available scientific studies, including those conducted by or accepted by the IPCC, the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO), the International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN) and other leading scientific bodies.

    Some people will, when they read this imagine that I’m some right-wing anti-environmentalist. I’m not. At 17, I lived in Nicaragua to show solidarity with the Sandinista socialist revolution. At 23 I raised money for Guatemalan women’s cooperatives.

    In my early 20s, I lived in the semi-Amazon doing research with small farmers fighting land invasions. At 26 I helped expose poor conditions at Nike factories in Asia.

    I became an environmentalist at 16 when I threw a fundraiser for Rainforest Action Network. At 27 I helped save the last unprotected ancient redwoods in California.

    In my 30s I advocated renewables and successfully helped persuade the Obama administration to invest $90 billion into them.

    Over the last few years, I helped save enough nuclear plants from being replaced by fossil fuels to prevent a sharp increase in emissions.

    Until last year, I mostly avoided speaking out against the climate scare. Partly that’s because I was embarrassed.

    After all, I am as guilty of alarmism as any other environmentalist. For years, I referred to climate change as an “existential” threat to human civilization, and called it a “crisis.”

    But mostly I was scared. I remained quiet about the climate disinformation campaign because I was afraid of losing friends and funding.

    The few times I summoned the courage to defend climate science from those who misrepresent it I suffered harsh consequences. And so I mostly stood by and did next to nothing as my fellow environmentalists terrified the public.

    I even stood by as people in the White House and many in the news media tried to destroy the reputation and career of an outstanding scientist, good man, and friend of mine, Roger Pielke, Jr., a lifelong progressive Democrat and environmentalist who testified in favor of carbon regulations.

    Why did they do that? Because his research proves natural disasters aren’t getting worse.

    But then, last year, things spiraled out of control.

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said, “The world is going to end in twelve years if we don’t address climate change.” Britain’s most high-profile environmental group claimed: “Climate Change Kills Children.”

    The world’s most influential green journalist, Bill McKibben, called climate change the “greatest challenge humans have ever faced” and said it would “wipe out civilizations.”

    Mainstream journalists reported, repeatedly, that the Amazon was “the lungs of the world,” and that deforestation was like a nuclear bomb going off.

    As a result, half of the people surveyed around the world last year said they thought climate change would make humanity extinct. And in January, one out of five British children told pollsters they were having nightmares about climate change.

    Whether or not you have children you must see how wrong this is. I admit I may be sensitive because I have a teenage daughter.

    After we talked about the science she was reassured. But her friends are deeply misinformed and thus, understandably, frightened.

    I thus decided I had to speak out. I knew that writing a few articles wouldn’t be enough. I needed a book to properly lay out all of the evidence.

    And so my formal apology for our fear-mongering comes in the form of my new book, Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All.

    It is based on two decades of research and three decades of environmental activism. At 400 pages, with 100 of them endnotes, Apocalypse Never covers climate change, deforestation, plastic waste, species extinction, industrialization, meat, nuclear energy, and renewables.

    Some highlights from the book:

    Factories and modern farming are the keys to human liberation and environmental progress
    The most important thing for saving the environment is producing more food, particularly meat, on less land
    The most important thing for reducing air pollution and carbon emissions is moving from wood to coal to petroleum to natural gas to uranium
    100% renewables would require increasing the land used for energy from today’s 0.5% to 50%
    We should want cities, farms, and power plants to have higher, not lower, power densities
    Vegetarianism reduces one’s emissions by less than 4%
    Greenpeace didn’t save the whales, switching from whale oil to petroleum and palm oil did
    “Free-range” beef would require 20 times more land and produce 300% more emissions
    Greenpeace dogmatism worsened forest fragmentation of the Amazon
    The colonialist approach to gorilla conservation in the Congo produced a backlash that may have resulted in the killing of 250 elephants
    Why were we all so misled?

    In the final three chapters of Apocalypse Never I expose the financial, political, and ideological motivations. Environmental groups have accepted hundreds of millions of dollars from fossil fuel interests.

    Groups motivated by anti-humanist beliefs forced the World Bank to stop trying to end poverty and instead make poverty “sustainable.”

    And status anxiety, depression, and hostility to modern civilization are behind much of the alarmism

    Once you realize just how badly misinformed we have been, often by people with plainly unsavory or unhealthy motivations, it is hard not to feel duped.

    Will Apocalypse Never make any difference? There are certainly reasons to doubt it.

    The news media have been making apocalyptic pronouncements about climate change since the late 1980s, and do not seem disposed to stop.

    The ideology behind environmental alarmism — Malthusianism — has been repeatedly debunked for 200 years and yet is more powerful than ever.

    But there are also reasons to believe that environmental alarmism will, if not come to an end, have diminishing cultural power.

    The coronavirus pandemic is an actual crisis that puts the climate “crisis” into perspective. Even if you think we have overreacted, Covid-19 has killed nearly 500,000 people and shattered economies around the globe.

    Scientific institutions including WHO and IPCC have undermined their credibility through the repeated politicization of science. Their future existence and relevance depend on new leadership and serious reform.

    Facts still matter, and social media is allowing for a wider range of new and independent voices to outcompete alarmist environmental journalists at legacy publications.

    Nations are reorienting toward the national interest and away from Malthusianism and neoliberalism, which is good for nuclear and bad for renewables.

    The evidence is overwhelming that our high-energy civilization is better for people and nature than the low-energy civilization that climate alarmists would return us to.

    And the invitations I received from IPCC and Congress late last year after I published a series of criticisms of climate alarmism, are signs of a growing openness to new thinking about climate change and the environment.

    Another sign is the response to my book from climate scientists, conservationists, and environmental scholars.

    “Apocalypse Never is an extremely important book,” writes Richard Rhodes, the Pulitzer-winning author of The Making of the Atomic Bomb. “This may be the most important book on the environment ever written,” says one of the fathers of modern climate science Tom Wigley.

    “We environmentalists condemn those with antithetical views of being ignorant of science and susceptible to confirmation bias,” wrote the former head of The Nature Conservancy, Steve McCormick. “But too often we are guilty of the same. Shellenberger offers ‘tough love:’ a challenge to entrenched orthodoxies and rigid, self-defeating mindsets. Apocalypse Never serves up occasionally stinging, but always well-crafted, evidence-based points of view that will help develop the ‘mental muscle’ we need to envision and design not only a hopeful, but an attainable, future.”

    That is all that I had hoped for in writing it. If you’ve made it this far, I hope you’ll agree that it’s perhaps not as strange as it seems that a lifelong environmentalist, progressive, and climate activist felt the need to speak out against the alarmism.

    I further hope that you’ll accept my apology.

    Michael Shellenberger is author of several bestselling books., including Apocalypse Never.
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    Thoughts are that a lot of beyonders had this stance over the years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    Thoughts are that a lot of beyonders had this stance over the years.
    Except now it's starting to come from the world is ending proponents

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    Thoughts are that a lot of beyonders had this stance over the years.
    Can you change my user title to Schill for big oil ?
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