Tesla vehicle discussion. No Elon or stock chat.

[Buster]

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Traitor to whom? I'm all about what's best for me at the end of the day. I didn't get a Model 3P to save the planet or because I like Elon (I dislike him). I got it because it's cheap to operate as I had 240V in my garage and it's not exactly easy to buy a new EV and receive it in a decent timeline except from the one place that's still pumping them out.

It was a joke. Lol

[ThePenIsMightier]

Almost spicey...
Le disappoint.

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

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Look at any technology curve, lets just go ahead and use his fuzzy adjusted graph that shows AP is actually on par with not using it. This is a massive win for Tesla in that its systems will only improve with time. Every update, the system gets better, more performant then the last. My Tesla is hands down a better product today than the one I bought 4 years ago.

The lidar argument is super weak too. He just equates it with a money issue but doesn't address Lidars technological short comings.

Two dead bikers are a huge win for Tesla.

[heavyD]

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Two dead bikers are a huge win for Tesla.

Those bikers would likely still be alive today if Teslas came with the "shortcomings" of lidar or radar.

[supe]

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Those bikers would likely still be alive today if Teslas came with the "shortcomings" of lidar or radar.

https://www.euroncap.com/en/press-me...eals-the-show/

In Euro NCAP track tests, the Model Y camera-only Vision system performs remarkably well in preventing collisions with other cars, cyclists and pedestrians.

Tesla's are literally the safest cars on the road.

But go ahead form your opinion based on random YouTube vids.

[Buster]

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Tesla's are literally the safest cars on the road.

they might be safe for the people IN the Tesla (sometimes).

It's the people outside of the Tesla that are getting Maximum Overdrived that are the issue.

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

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https://www.euroncap.com/en/press-me...eals-the-show/



Tesla's are literally the safest cars on the road.

But go ahead form your opinion based on random YouTube vids.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/27/2...tal-utah-nhtsa
https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/7/23...utopilot-nhtsa

I'm not worried about the passenger/driver in the Teslas. I'm worried about everyone around them.

But go ahead form your opinion based on random fanboyism.

[supe]

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https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/27/2...tal-utah-nhtsa
https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/7/23...utopilot-nhtsa

I'm not worried about the passenger/driver in the Teslas. I'm worried about everyone around them.

But go ahead form your opinion based on random fanboyism.

Looks pretty safe for people outside the car to me.

https://twitter.com/ev_australia/sta...SiuvEYodVU2jmg

Again from the same article

near-perfect 98 percent in Safety Assist

Safety assist is about preventing accidents, these are accidents you will never hear about in the news. Emphasis on "near perfect".

Use critical thinking and base judgement on statistics and data and not one off events.

[heavyD]

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https://www.euroncap.com/en/press-me...eals-the-show/



Tesla's are literally the safest cars on the road.

But go ahead form your opinion based on random YouTube vids.

Random youtube video? It appears it is you that is uninformed as Tesla is getting investigated by the NHTSA for the motorcyclist deaths.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/autos/u-s-age...ists-1.6016734

[killramos]

Supe giving a lecture on critical thinking is hilarious.

[heavyD]

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Use critical thinking and base judgement on statistics and data and not one off events.

Maybe you should take your lips off Elons ass and do some critical thinking yourself.

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

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Use critical thinking and base judgement on statistics and data and not one off events.

I mean, I'm still waiting for you to start, but sure:
https://www.tesladeaths.com/

Is this enough data for you? Not just pro-tesla footage? Or did you lick the batteries a little too much in your Model 3?

Seems super safe.
https://www.ksbw.com/article/hollist...=snd-autopilot
https://www.wfla.com/news/man-in-whe...-pasco-county/
https://mycbs4.com/news/local/two-pe...nto-semi-truck

[Buster]

gettin' spicey!!!

[supe]

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I mean, I'm still waiting for you to start, but sure:
https://www.tesladeaths.com/

Is this enough data for you? Not just pro-tesla footage? Or did you lick the batteries a little too much in your Model 3?

Seems super safe.
https://www.ksbw.com/article/hollist...=snd-autopilot
https://www.wfla.com/news/man-in-whe...-pasco-county/
https://mycbs4.com/news/local/two-pe...nto-semi-truck

Your first link is clearly biased, if a driver used a Tesla to purposefully run someone over, they would count that, and that is Tesla's fault how?

Then again your other links are just case studies which all that it confirms is that Tesla's get into crashes where people die. Yes, Tesla's can get into crashes, yes those crashes can kill.

The question is are Tesla's safe or safer than other car brands. I'm citing Europes car safety testing program backed by governments which resulted in the Tesla Model Y getting the best scores ever. This will directly translate into less crashes and less injuries. Do you deny this or is it hard to comprehend?

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Your first link is clearly biased, if a driver used a Tesla to purposefully run someone over, they would count that, and that is Tesla's fault how?

Then again your other links are just case studies which all that it confirms is that Tesla's get into crashes where people die. Yes, Tesla's can get into crashes, yes those crashes can kill.

The question is are Tesla's safe or safer than other car brands. I'm citing Europes car safety testing program backed by governments which resulted in the Tesla Model Y getting the best scores ever. This will directly translate into less crashes and less injuries. Do you deny this or is it hard to comprehend?

Holy, hang on!
You think a drunk Tesla driver running down some hobo on a bike is going to count on the same stats as someone NOT DRIVING A TESLA ON AUTO PILOT that mistakenly plows a toddler in a crosswalk???!!?!?
That's adorable.

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

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Your first link is clearly biased, if a driver used a Tesla to purposefully run someone over, they would count that, and that is Tesla's fault how?

Then again your other links are just case studies which all that it confirms is that Tesla's get into crashes where people die. Yes, Tesla's can get into crashes, yes those crashes can kill.

The question is are Tesla's safe or safer than other car brands. I'm citing Europes car safety testing program backed by governments which resulted in the Tesla Model Y getting the best scores ever. This will directly translate into less crashes and less injuries. Do you deny this or is it hard to comprehend?

You're changing the argument. I'm not debating the safety rating in a tesla vs other cars to the passengers of the car, I'm arguing that relying on "autopilot" without lidar is irresponsible, and gets people killed, like the 2 motorcycle riders that were run over on a straight highway at night.

[SportEL]

Toronto Man's Tesla Model S Battery died after 77K Miles, and he got locked out, and he couldn't access. Only Costs $26K for a new one.

-> https://www.techspot.com/news/96080-...tery-gets.html

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Toronto Man's Tesla Model S Battery died after 77K Miles, and he got locked out, and he couldn't access. Only Costs $26K for a new one.

-> https://www.techspot.com/news/96080-...tery-gets.html

This story has been making the rounds. Yes, the battery failure is most likely associated with the poor drainage design of early Model 3's. No Tesla didn't lock him out (directly), his 12V battery died because the HV battery died. 12V dead, you're "locked out". And yes, it does cost that much for a refurb HV battery.

Just to clarify some of the BS coming from the articles.

[Yolobimmer]

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This story has been making the rounds. Yes, the battery failure is most likely associated with the poor drainage design of early Model 3's. No Tesla didn't lock him out (directly), his 12V battery died because the HV battery died. 12V dead, you're "locked out". And yes, it does cost that much for a refurb HV battery.

Just to clarify some of the BS coming from the articles.

Why didn't get just call AMA?

Oh wait. Attention whoreeeeeee

[killramos]

This seems like a great idea…

https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tes...oon-model-s-x/

Your $$$ Tesla will no longer have parking sensors. But don’t worry Elon says.