Tesla vehicle discussion. No Elon or stock chat.

[pheoxs]

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Your electricity bill will be 1/4 of gasoline cost. Plus you'll save nearly all maintenance except tires. 400km is base model with RWD. In very cold days you'll likely see max 40% loss in the distance.

A perspective that hasn't been brought up is you're sitting in your car at least 2hrs every day. Test drive a tesla and see how you feel about that. It'll most likely make every other car you've sat in feel outdated.

so 400km - 40% is 240km when new and its cold out. And his commute is 200km. By year 2 or 3 the batteries won't have the charge to make it the full commute if he's doing 50k a year. Or even brand new if he wants to go literally anything after work he won't have the range if it's cold out.

[lilmira]

Give me the three sea shells then may be I'll consider the cybertruck.

[ragu]

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so 400km - 40% is 240km when new and its cold out. And his commute is 200km. By year 2 or 3 the batteries won't have the charge to make it the full commute if he's doing 50k a year. Or even brand new if he wants to go literally anything after work he won't have the range if it's cold out.

We're saying the same thing, except at 2% degradation you're still able to do round trip in yr 5 in extreme weather. I get it, you want to also stop by a friend's place or grab eggs. Most EV owners find ways to minimize cost of charging and range anxiety e.g. in this case even basic 120V charging at work would get you ~30km range for your commute home.

Anywho, that's base model (518km at one level up) so go test drive one and discuss with an owner or two. Your gas savings in 4 yrs are $22k (600/m x 48 x 3/4). Round that to $25k savings with maintenance. I'd be keen to know which gas powered car matches the performance, reliability, comfort and tech at such price gap.

[ExtraSlow]

Range is fine. Car is fine. If you like the car buy it, just don't think you are saving money.

[rage2]

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Range is fine. Car is fine. If you like the car buy it, just don't think you are saving money.

There are cases today where there's huge money savings. @benyl was paying $400/month in gas, now he gets free charging at work. He didn't even get a charger installed at home lol.

[ExtraSlow]

I guess I'm including capital outlay against a cheap beater commuter car. Or the 09 accord the OP's profile says he owns.
If you are comparing against similarly expensive cars, or just looking at monthly operating, then yeah.

I'm 100% pro EV. I think it's good technology already, and it won't be long until it's the sensible option for many people.

[KPHMPH]

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There are cases today where there's huge money savings. @benyl was paying $400/month in gas, now he gets free charging at work. He didn't even get a charger installed at home lol.

Damn cheap Asians, also #jealous.

Just to note, I’ve charged at home roughly 800 kWh’s worth and if I put that into dollars 800x0.15 = $120. 800 kWh = 8 tanks of fuel, which equals 3200 kms.

3200 would have been 6 tanks of fuel in the car, at 90$ per tank, equaling $540. On heavy months of driving I was saving $420.

On the side note, I drive zero some months.

[rage2]

I can't even figure out what my actual kWh rate is with all the fucking riders here lol. But yea, my new office has free charging at work too, but my fuel costs are so low because hybrid that it's not enough to push me over the edge and ignore the downsides that bother me.

[Disoblige]

You guys think that this whole free charging stuff will end in the near future as EVs become more mainstream?
Soon there will be meters that will charge to your credit card or something similar to paying for parking, no?

[Buster]

I'm in Toronto right now, and some of my co-workers have such shitty commutes. They calculate the savings from their Teslas not by how much fuel they save per month, but how those savings translate to a payoff for the entire car.

They were bragging about how they got a a "free tesla". My view is that if you can justify a Tesla based on fuel cost savings your commute sucks ass and I feel bad.

Also fuck fuel savings.

Sometimes its not worth min-maxing life and driving something that is the transportation equivalent of a microwave.

[killramos]

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Sometimes its not worth min-maxing life and driving something that is the transportation equivalent of a microwave.

You owe me a new keyboard for that one lmao

[pheoxs]

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I'm in Toronto right now, and some of my co-workers have such shitty commutes. They calculate the savings from their Teslas not by how much fuel they save per month, but how those savings translate to a payoff for the entire car.

They were bragging about how they got a a "free tesla". My view is that if you can justify a Tesla based on fuel cost savings your commute sucks ass and I feel bad.

Also fuck fuel savings.

Sometimes its not worth min-maxing life and driving something that is the transportation equivalent of a microwave.

But hey, Toronto is the greatest city in Canada. So like worth it.... right.

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You guys think that this whole free charging stuff will end in the near future as EVs become more mainstream?
Soon there will be meters that will charge to your credit card or something similar to paying for parking, no?

For sure. We already saw it with Tesla's free supercharging and such. Eventually it'll just be a meter you swipe and leave your car to top it up. Still cheaper than fuel though.

But I do wonder how much it'll raise our electricity rates when a significant portion of the province moves over.

[killramos]

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But hey, Toronto is the greatest city in Canada. So like worth it.... right.

/s

Center of the Universe Bro

[The_Rural_Juror]

The riders and transmission costs should be treated as fixed, since you will still be paying for them to supply your home. You still have to pay for them even with solar, as long as you are connected to the grid.

My energy charge was 5.5 cents per kwh. So that is the comparison in my mind. Maybe toss in a couple of pennies for transmission if you want to be conservative.

[The_Rural_Juror]

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I'm in Toronto right now, and some of my co-workers have such shitty commutes. They calculate the savings from their Teslas not by how much fuel they save per month, but how those savings translate to a payoff for the entire car.

They were bragging about how they got a a "free tesla". My view is that if you can justify a Tesla based on fuel cost savings your commute sucks ass and I feel bad.

Also fuck fuel savings.

Sometimes its not worth min-maxing life and driving something that is the transportation equivalent of a microwave.

Ok Boomer.

[KPHMPH]

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The riders and transmission costs should be treated as fixed, since you will still be paying for them to supply your home. You still have to pay for them even with solar, as long as you are connected to the grid.

My energy charge was 5.5 cents per kwh. So that is the comparison in my mind. Maybe toss in a couple of pennies for transmission if you want to be conservative.

My bill says it’s 6 cents per kwh, I just add another 9 cents for bullshit fees to bring it up to that 15 cents.

[you&me]

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But hey, Toronto is the greatest city in Canada. So like worth it.... right.

/s

There's a difference between "living in Toronto" and living in "Toronto", but more accurately commuting from Milton or Orangeville...

[LLLimit]

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You guys think that this whole free charging stuff will end in the near future as EVs become more mainstream?
Soon there will be meters that will charge to your credit card or something similar to paying for parking, no?

There's still a bunch of freebies around like Ikea, but charging fees are already happening at Chinook Centre.

[Buster]

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Ok Boomer.

The inverse of this is also true.

[rage2]

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Sometimes its not worth min-maxing life and driving something that is the transportation equivalent of a microwave.

I'm going to borrow @benyl 's Model 3P and take you for a rip when you get back haha.