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    Quote Originally Posted by benyl View Post
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    I watched bits and pieces of the recording of their live stream. The headlights are interesting. The power they get out of the motors is cool. The price, not cool. haha
    For that kinda money I'd just get a Taycan and call it a day.
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    They are following the Tesla masterplan from like 10 years ago. Start with a more expensive car, use the proceeds to develop a cheaper car, then repeat.

    Lucid's batteries are less efficient, but it's good to see a competitor in the field to keep pushing technology forward and prices down. The interior did seem to feature the Taycan style curved screen, and they didn't show the executive seat in the back like you would get in an S class. They are aiming really high, especially with the target to build a factory in 8 months.

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    Model S Plaid available for pre-order.

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    They think they can shave another 3 seconds off the lap. Not bad for a domestic.



    Quite the list. My screencap software sucks so you don't see the Porsche Boxster at #17. Randy Probst is good at driving.

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    The thought has crossed my mind many times this week.

    Just hate that it’s based on a 9 year old design.

    Cheap for 1100hp and a gauntlet drop on Lucid and Porsche.

    I actually can’t wait to see what the performance version of the $25k small car will be. The structural battery should make it much lighter than the 3.

    I’m not one to drink Kool-aid, but the big 3 are fucked in California if they don’t get their shit together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benyl View Post
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    The thought has crossed my mind many times this week.

    Just hate that it’s based on a 9 year old design.

    Cheap for 1100hp and a gauntlet drop on Lucid and Porsche.

    I actually can’t wait to see what the performance version of the $25k small car will be. The structural battery should make it much lighter than the 3.

    I’m not one to drink Kool-aid, but the big 3 are fucked in California if they don’t get their shit together.
    I would love for someone on Beyond to get a roadster.

    And yes. They should re-design at least the interior of the Plaid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Rural_Juror View Post
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    Model S Plaid available for pre-order.

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    They think they can shave another 3 seconds off the lap. Not bad for a domestic.



    Quite the list. My screencap software sucks so you don't see the Porsche Boxster at #17. Randy Probst is good at driving.

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    So, it's 19 seconds slower than a diesel Audi?
    Hydrocarbon fuels ain't going nowhere!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    So, it's 19 seconds slower than a diesel Audi?
    Hydrocarbon fuels ain't going nowhere!
    I didn't want to mention the Honda. Yes, it's an embarassment.

    This is how they are going to get the cars so rigid. The new battery pack technology will be used to increase rigidity of the structure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Rural_Juror View Post
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    I didn't want to mention the Honda. Yes, it's an embarassment.

    This is how they are going to get the cars so rigid. The new battery pack technology will be used to increase rigidity of the structure.

    that was an awkward end to the video...

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    Quote Originally Posted by benyl View Post
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    that was an awkward end to the video...
    He's an engineer.

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    Out of curiosity, what’s Tesla doing that’s different than other battery companies? I haven’t been following Tesla as much as I want to these days, but others such as CATL and even GM are doing the same thing aren’t they? Eliminate cobolt, drop price under $100/kwh, structural batteries and to match ICE drivetrain costs. I thought GM and LG are the first to crack $100/kwh with their battery destined for the hummer EV?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    Out of curiosity, what’s Tesla doing that’s different than other battery companies? I haven’t been following Tesla as much as I want to these days, but others such as CATL and even GM are doing the same thing aren’t they? Eliminate cobolt, drop price under $100/kwh, structural batteries and to match ICE drivetrain costs. I thought GM and LG are the first to crack $100/kwh with their battery destined for the hummer EV?
    I will find you a video sir. Actually the battery day presentation explains a ton seeing that you ain't afraid of a little science. The others aren't doing the same thing. Not even close.

    Ultium won't be able to match. No way.
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    Gimme a TLDW haha. I just want to know what they’re doing different than CATL and GM/LG who are the leaders right now in terms of said goals. Everyone is going to have different approaches, I’m curious how the end game is different.
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    I will do a recap of battery day in the investments section.

    TL;DW - alien battery tech is going to allow cars to go vroom vroom faster, longer, harder while reducing costs. The $25k car will be the first car to hit price parity with gasoline cars (cheaper when you factor in maintenance). They are already making the new batteries in their pilot plant. There is one further improvement (dry coating) that they need to iron out in probably in the next 1 to 1.5 years.

    Performance wise:

    1) New tabless batteries run cooler, can be packed closer to the middle, is more efficient, and cheaper to produce despite being larger in size individually (10% less mass compared to current technology). Packing the batteries closer to the middle allows the car to handle better on corners and decreases likelihood of puncture from side impacts. The analogy was a figure skater spinning faster with arms in vs arms out.

    2) The new tech allows them to cool the batteries axially rather than on the edges. This means that they fill the gaps in between the batteries with a some kind of an adhesive. This increases structural rigidity. They said that a convertible will be as rigid as a regular vehicle. This is drawing from airplanes which has their fuel stored in the wings. The difference is that jet fuel is liquid and is depleted over time, while batteries maintain rigidity.

    3) Giga casting. They're currently casting at least the back end of the Model Y into 2 parts. At some point in the future, they could cast the front, back, and joint them with the battery structure. Saves costs, eliminates a lot of body work, parts, and increases rigidity as well.

    There's a lot more that the market hasn't figured out what to do with the info yet.

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    I'm sure I said somewhere on beyond that better battery tech was a really important key for all sorts of green energy projects, not just cars, but distributed generation as well.
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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    I'm sure I said somewhere on beyond that better battery tech was a really important key for all sorts of green energy projects, not just cars, but distributed generation as well.
    Yes. Solar, Wind, future F150s. Tesla's going to start producing their own batteries because the world isn't making enough...and cost effectively.

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    What RJ didn’t mention is that the new battery tech drops the cost investment per GWH 69%



    It’s not clear if the Model S Plaid is getting the new battery tech, but my guess is the Cybertruck will.

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    69.420%.

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    My SIL picked up a new Model Y yesterday.

    The VIN she was originally assigned didn’t pass the SC inspection. She got another one last minute. It was pretty good. Paint was better that both my Model 3s. There was a couple of spots with dust under the paint. The gaps were good except for the rear driver door. Of course it was in “spec.”

    Fuck the stock wheels are ugly. Those covers need to come off. Haha.

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    She has good taste. A/s/l?

    Edit: A free tip for the @benyl SIL. Order the TPMS for the winter wheels right away. The Y uses a new Bluetooth tech that you can't get from third parties yet and it could take a few weeks to get in.
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