Tesla vehicle discussion. No Elon or stock chat.

[LLLimit]

Winter & cold weather reading if you want to nerd out:
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors...on_effects_of/
iirc, Wugz is out of Edmonton so it's fairly relevant.

240v charger in the garage & underground parking 120v at work. Range is not a concern because I'm fortunate to be plugged in minimum 18hours/day.
In reality, it's a great winter machine:
-warms up interior near-instantly, in the garage w/o exhaust fumes
-at -30C, just start driving no need to warm up anything
-immense & significant energy loss at very cold temps because you use up the battery for creature comforts.


The only rebate in Alberta is $5000 from izev, Tesla kindly subtracts this cost at time of purchase and does the paperwork internally.
The current Model 3 SR+ is good (subjective) value because of izev.
Fit & finish not commensurate with price, but the acceleration & technology makes up for it, mostly.

[LLLimit]

oh yeah the paint job is embarrassing.
Spend a couple bucks to wrap the whole thing in PPF.

[JustinL]

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Sooooo, I’m considering taking the plunge on one of these girls, any recommendations on model 3 vs s opinions? Rebates being offered/ less known ones? Winter issues being battery powered and all? Doos and do nots? New vs used? I commute quite a bit and am hoping for some solid opinions. I have an 08 gs350 awd right now, would it be worth the upgrade? Hit me up guys

The best value is the Model 3 SR+ with the federal rebate. You need a place to charge it at home with 240V minimum, relying on destination or supercharging is a no go in my opinion especially with the shorter range SR+. To get the rebate it has to be new and the price of used ones are a little to high to make them worthwhile. On the flip side though, you could unload it without much of a loss if you don't like it.

The fit and finish is a bit of a roll of the dice, some seem pretty good, but I've heard of quite a few that aren't as well put together. It is a cheaper car with an expensive power train. I would also suggest that the SR+ not be your only car, it can be done, but the range is a bit short for leaving the city. It is an excellent commuter though. The Full Self Driving is not worth it. The autopilot that comes with the car even seems a bit wanting. If autopilot with the FSD preview is reflective of the state of the art, it's going to be a while before I'd trust the car to do any of the driving itself. I wasn't sure I'd like the minimalist no buttons approach, but it has grown on me. It is pretty well thought out and works a lot like a cellphone, so it's intuitive for people who like that.

Winter driving has been fine so far, but it has been a mild winter. I charge it in a heated garage everyday to 80% and my range is plenty for an every day commute without ever dipping below 50% even on the colder days we've had. Winter performance is fine, it's a rear wheel drive, rear weight biased car, so it's going to be different to your current car. It slips the rear wheels very easily because of the instant torque, but the traction control system is good at keeping things under control.

[benyl]

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Benyl manicures.

My trusty tweezerman nail clippers make me a pro!!

[ExtraSlow]

if you want one, you want one. If not, not. I don't think more information changes anything about this decision. It's not a typical car buying experience, because you aren't buy a car from a car company. That F150 lease would be cheaper, but that also doesn't matter.

[benyl]

As much as I like my Tesla. That F150 lease deal is awesome.

Get the Performance if you can afford it. It’s a relative bargain. The consensus seems to be to buy new. The rate you get from the bank is super cheap and the resale has been pretty good.

For my needs during CoVID, I charge to 60% daily.

Safety is second to none.

[rage2]

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Benyl manicures.

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My trusty tweezerman nail clippers make me a pro!!

Don’t lie. It’s because you’re Korean. It’s in your DNA.

[The_Rural_Juror]

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oh yeah the paint job is embarrassing.
Spend a couple bucks to wrap the whole thing in PPF.

They had made huge improvements in 2020.

[benyl]

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Don’t lie. It’s because you’re Korean. It’s in your DNA.

At least I’ll have a back up plan.

[The_Rural_Juror]

Mods should split this thread.

[killramos]

Dunno. Seems fitting to me

[ExtraSlow]

Sad.

[The_Rural_Juror]

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Sooooo, I’m considering taking the plunge on one of these girls, any recommendations on model 3 vs s opinions? Rebates being offered/ less known ones? Winter issues being battery powered and all? Doos and do nots? New vs used? I commute quite a bit and am hoping for some solid opinions. I have an 08 gs350 awd right now, would it be worth the upgrade? Hit me up guys

I will let you use my referral code in exchange for a keychain. Mine is special-er as it comes with a free Netflix and chill coupon with the beyonder of your dreams.

Also...model s refresh coming out in a few weeks. You may be able to get a deal on a current model but I would wait. Model Y is probably the best compromise.

[The_Rural_Juror]

Tesla warns 471,000 customers to park outside because the vehicle could catch on fire even when parked and off. God help us all.

https://dailyhornet.com/2021/hyundai...r-fire-hazard/

[killramos]

Weird flex

[s dime]

Tesla? Article mentions Hyundai...

[killramos]

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Tesla? Article mentions Hyundai...

He’s trying to prove other “quality” manufacturers recall hundreds of thousands of vehicles too, we will just be quiet about Hyundai shipping 5 million cars a year.

[rc2002]

Tesla isn’t exempt from vehicle fires either. It sounds like damage to batteries are the main cause however there have been instances of spontaneous combustion of parked vehicles too. Also, Lithium ion battery fires require 5000-8000 gallons of water and a lot of patience as the fires can reignite by themselves and not all fire departments are familiar with how to put out electric battery fires yet

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-...on-fire-2019-4

[mo_money2supe]

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Sooooo, I’m considering taking the plunge on one of these girls, any recommendations on model 3 vs s opinions? Rebates being offered/ less known ones? Winter issues being battery powered and all? Doos and do nots? New vs used? I commute quite a bit and am hoping for some solid opinions. I have an 08 gs350 awd right now, would it be worth the upgrade? Hit me up guys

Don't come to the table expecting the same level of luxury as any ICE for a similar price point. The Model S has noticeably more creature comforts than the 3, though it doesn't even come close to anything north of the $100k territory. As others have said, what you're paying for is the tech and the performance (not limited to the Performance models).

If commuting is needed, don't even look at anything less than the Long Range, Dual Motor models. Sure the SR+ has some 400+ kms, but come dead of winter and/or high winds (presumably your commutes will mostly be highways), you can "lose" up to 40-50% of that range. Unless you have Level 2 (AC 240V) or Level 3 (DC) charging at both ends, you probably won't have enough juice to get home.

That said, if your commuting is significant, you'll find a huge savings in your "fueling." Case in point, I had a 2013 S4 (stage 2) before this paying on average $300/month for 94-oct (and periodic splashes of e85 in the summers and switching maps on the tune). That car saw no more than 12k kms/yr. On my 3, I now average $30-40/mth in additional electricity and the car sees (pre-covid) ~20k kms/yr. The S4 saw low-12s in the 1/4; the Performance 3 sees 11.6-11.7s in the 1/4. Slightly faster, yet significantly cheaper to operate.

In terms of size, speaking Lexus models as comparisons, the Model 3 is more comparable to an IS and the Model S comparable to an LS. If you're wanting similar to your GS, consider a Model Y. The 3 drives significantly more nimbler than the S, with the Y somewhere in between.

If you're considering a Model S, wait for the highly-rumoured refresh on the Model S/X coming up imminently (end of month likely). People always want the latest and greatest; you'll save quite a bit on a used S/X. Stick with a 2018+ if you can afford it to take advantage of the updated computer hardware. You can upgrade the hardware on older models directly through Tesla, but only as "old" as late-2016s. If Model 3's your thang, go new. They've been holding their values well but only 'cause early adopters, such as yours truly, paid significantly more than what Tesla sells them for new now. For example, a Performance Model 3 was just under $100k back in mid-2018 and can now be had for under $80k (both prices with taxes in). The "cheapest" I've seen a used 2018 Performance 3 listed recently was $70k with 40k kms on the clock. Better to just get a new one for that price. Same thing applies down the trim lineup.

By the way, you can get 1,500kms of free supercharging credits (really, it's like ~$100 value) if you use a referral code to buy. Mine's below in my sig!

[The_Rural_Juror]

Plaid+ and updated interior.