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    Default Alberta brings back the carbon tax

    Wtf? So youre reintroducing it... And not rebating. Nice. Thanks ucp.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...ct-in-january/

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    Maybe he gave his head a shake and realized if he cancels the provincial the money's just gonna go to ottawa anyway.
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    Did anyone really believe him when he said otherwise?

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    Did anyone read the article? This is for industrial emitters, not for consumers such as us
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    Im the one with a learning disability....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtsniffer View Post
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    Did anyone read the article? This is for industrial emitters, not for consumers such as us
    And there's not flow through? there's only one payer at the end of the day...

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    There's been a carbon tax on large emitters since 2007...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtsniffer View Post
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    Did anyone read the article? This is for industrial emitters, not for consumers such as us
    did you directly get a bill for carbon tax? guaranteed large emitters are the same guys that own the gas pumps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaco View Post
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    did you directly get a bill for carbon tax? guaranteed large emitters are the same guys that own the gas pumps.
    And send you gas and electric bills.

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    You know, I've been meaning to type this out for a while, and here seems as good a place as any.

    Carbon taxes are only effective at thier stated goals of reducing atmospheric CO2 if three conditions are met. 1) they must be directly on energy CONSUMERS, 2) there are no exceptions or rebates and 3) they are high enough to be painful to most people.

    Corporate capital, and thus industrial emissions and activity can be moved from jurisdictions with carbon taxes to those without. We've seen this to be true. Similarly, rich people have many options for where they live, travel and consume energy.
    However, it's middle class and below individuals who would truly change thier lifestyles of they had a strong economic incentive to do so. They wouldn't run out and buy Tesla, but what they would do is work on energy efficiency like thier lives depended on it, because they would.

    It's politically unpalatable, and bad for the economy, but if you want to save the planet with carbon tax, you'd better be ready to directly harm some voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    You know, I've been meaning to type this out for a while, and here seems as good a place as any.

    Carbon taxes are only effective at thier stated goals of reducing atmospheric CO2 if three conditions are met. 1) they must be directly on energy CONSUMERS, 2) there are no exceptions or rebates and 3) they are high enough to be painful to most people.

    Corporate capital, and thus industrial emissions and activity can be moved from jurisdictions with carbon taxes to those without. We've seen this to be true. Similarly, rich people have many options for where they live, travel and consume energy.
    However, it's middle class and below individuals who would truly change thier lifestyles of they had a strong economic incentive to do so. They wouldn't run out and buy Tesla, but what they would do is work on energy efficiency like thier lives depended on it, because they would.

    It's politically unpalatable, and bad for the economy, but if you want to save the planet with carbon tax, you'd better be ready to directly harm some voters.
    Arguably #3 already exists, especially here... carbon tax is just the salt in the wounds of those already suffering from a struggling energy industry.
    and #1, of course it gets put on us, no corporation is going to eat that cost.
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    Well we have to pay for that war room somehow, so the carbon levy funding from the TIER program is now slated to help with the war room costs!

    the province expects to take in about $478 million in carbon charges from large emitters in the next fiscal year.

    Of that, it plans to put $200 million toward "innovation and technology." Another $189 million is earmarked for deficit reduction and to fund the government's energy "war room," a public relations operation that aims to combat what the province describes as misinformation about the oil and gas industry.
    Also, under TIER the largest polluters get revised quotas and will now have to pay much less, like $300 million less. And apparently JK has even more awesome plans to attract foreign investment in our industries (to fund war rooms to fight foreign interference in our industries) so these are very exciting times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaco View Post
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    Arguably #3 already exists, especially here... carbon tax is just the salt in the wounds of those already suffering from a struggling energy industry.
    and #1, of course it gets put on us, no corporation is going to eat that cost.
    Totally disagree on #3 already existing. I don't know a single person who drives less in Alberta because of the cost of fuel. We've sent capital and industrial activity away but not reduced actual carbon emissions. $100/ton minimum and I'm not even kidding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    Totally disagree on #3 already existing. I don't know a single person who drives less in Alberta because of the cost of fuel. We've sent capital and industrial activity away but not reduced actual carbon emissions. $100/ton minimum and I'm not even kidding.
    ever heard of people unemployed? pretty sure they're causing less emissions, and definitely feeling the salt in the wounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaco View Post
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    ever heard of people unemployed? pretty sure they're causing less emissions, and definitely feeling the salt in the wounds.
    Yep and living in vans by river saves on house heating costs and the suicide rate keeps climbing - so that just takes a few more kg of co2 from the air...

    And now the relocation to find work is beginning anew so that'll export those emissions elsewhere...

    Feels like a trudeau plan

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    You know, if the federal government would just nationalize the energy industry they could just force it to all go green and nobody would have to worry about it and we wouldn't have to pay any "climate" taxes at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRSC00LUDE View Post
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    You know, if the federal government would just nationalize the energy industry they could just force it to all go green and nobody would have to worry about it and we wouldn't have to pay any "climate" taxes at all.
    It's a win win win!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    It's a win win win!
    Birds would sing, children would stop screaming and we'd all be healthier and wealthier!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tik-Tok View Post
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    Did anyone really believe him when he said otherwise?
    had to be done to fix the NDP debt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tik-Tok View Post
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    Did anyone really believe him when he said otherwise?
    They did say they were going to raise the rate for large emitters. So...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04Terminator View Post
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    had to be done to fix the NDP debt.
    hahahah did you check the budget at all? he has a 2bn deficit more than the NDP had... he's Fiscal Bullshit.
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