Can we talk abut school funding and the "voucher" option?

[roopi]

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Well the CBE doesn't send them out, but there is certainly a cost attached to those letters, and that cost is certainly borne by the teachers, who are paid by the CBE, who gets their money from the government.

Ok you win. He/She was right CBE sends out monthly retirement fund letters.

[suntan]

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Ok you win. He/She was right CBE sends out monthly retirement fund letters.

Well I suppose they're not monthly, but bulk mail costs a lot these days (we used to have a postage stamper at the old office).

Let me put it to you this way: What's the minimum material amount of money that matters in a $1.2 billion budget?

[speedog]

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Ok you win. He/She was right CBE sends out monthly retirement fund letters.

By suntan's logic, we are all supporting China sending dissenters away to camps.

[suntan]

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By suntan's logic, we are all supporting China sending dissenters away to camps.

Don't forget organ harvesting!

[roopi]

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Well I suppose they're not monthly, but bulk mail costs a lot these days (we used to have a postage stamper at the old office).

Let me put it to you this way: What's the minimum material amount of money that matters in a $1.2 billion budget?

It's not a CBE expense is all I was stating. I consider an expense of a business something they directly pay for. Your accounting methodology is something I'm not familiar with.

The original poster showing how he can instantly save CBE money made something up that isn't true.

[killramos]

Really enjoyed this article https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...ooms-must-stop

Say what you will about the partisan side of things but this one quote really insightfully sums up the disfunction of the CBE for me:

If it’s an assignment drafted by the individual teacher, then who is responsible for holding them to account? The principal? The principal is in the ATA bargaining unit, they aren’t really a manager so much as a first among equals, so I doubt they would do anything about it. Contact your trustee? They aren’t really to meddle in operational matters at individual schools. Contact the education minister? She was asked about it in question period on Wednesday, but no doubt she’ll be told she isn’t supposed to meddle in the affairs of individual classrooms either.

This is the perfect mire of a faceless bureaucracy. No one is to blame. No one takes responsibility. There is no way to correct it. And so it continues.

There is just literally no accountability in our education system, aside from controlling the flow of funds. And when that happens the boards scream bloody murder.

Voucher system seems like the perfect way to ensure accountability through funds flow. School/board has too much bullshit, then vote with your education dollars and switch your kids to a school with a better curricular foundation.

[Antonito]

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Really enjoyed this article https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...ooms-must-stop

Say what you will about the partisan side of things but this one quote really insightfully sums up the disfunction of the CBE for me:



There is just literally no accountability in our education system, aside from controlling the flow of funds. And when that happens the boards scream bloody murder.

Voucher system seems like the perfect way to ensure accountability through funds flow. School/board has too much bullshit, then vote with your education dollars and switch your kids to a school with a better curricular foundation.

There's no accountability as long as you don't try anything, which is what this person is suggesting. Talk to the anyone? They probably won't do anything, so I won't. Therefore, it's broken.

A better question is, how fragile do people have to be that they are now wanting to set up actual indoctrination centers where for certain there will never be a teacher that teaches anything that could from a really far distance and if you squint really hard, seem like leftist ideology? Or Marxism in the eyes of this lunatic If this person wants their kids to be fully brainwashed exactly how they like it, they should pull themselves up by the bootstraps and pay extra by sending them to private schools for this extra service

[EM2FTL]

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Really enjoyed this article https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...ooms-must-stop

Say what you will about the partisan side of things but this one quote really insightfully sums up the disfunction of the CBE for me:



There is just literally no accountability in our education system, aside from controlling the flow of funds. And when that happens the boards scream bloody murder.

Voucher system seems like the perfect way to ensure accountability through funds flow. School/board has too much bullshit, then vote with your education dollars and switch your kids to a school with a better curricular foundation.

Hell yeah bruther, we need the ACE curriculum in all of our schools

https://www.acecanada.net/presentingace.html

[mr2mike]

Do the math... Pick any other school system outside Alberta and calculate the per student spending. It's all publicly available.

CBE is over $2000/student more than other districts. So the board can cry all they want. They're pigs at a trough and they're being put on a diet.

[killramos]

Yup.

Let’s put it this way, Alberta teachers sure as hell aren’t lining up to get jobs at out of province boards. They have it way too good here.

[kertejud2]

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Do the math... Pick any other school system outside Alberta and calculate the per student spending. It's all publicly available.

CBE is over $2000/student more than other districts. So the board can cry all they want. They're pigs at a trough and they're being put on a diet.

Okay, I'll go with the first that came to mind because it's the province where it's extremely hard to get a teaching job despite the land of milk and honey we've got here: Ontario

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pm...l-amount-drops

Overall funding to school boards will be $24.66 billion, up slightly from $24.53 billion this year. But higher enrolment means will boards get an average of $12,246 per pupil, versus the $12,300 they got in this school year.

So on the very first look what you said isn't true.

[04Terminator]

750 nurses just got let go.

Man, this UCP is an economic miracle.

[rage2]

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750 nurses just got let go.

Man, this UCP is an economic miracle.

Uhh UCP didn’t cut AHS funding did they?

[killramos]

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Uhh UCP didn’t cut AHS funding did they?

You need to learn the leftist lingo. Anything that isn’t a massive increase in year over year funding is a cut.

And it’s because you hate puppies and babies.

[kertejud2]

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Uhh UCP didn’t cut AHS funding did they?

They didn’t stop inflation of supplies and equipment, increase in population, or the aging of the population, so a funding freeze means the same amount of money can’t go as far. AHS already went through a big admin overhaul, so a ~3% cut to staffing lines up pretty well against the other factors that will affect cost and level of service.

[04Terminator]

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Uhh UCP didn’t cut AHS funding did they?

Absolutely they did. Ambulance services too.

[Buster]

Alberta could afford all of this stuff without the national wealth redistribution programs.

[ExtraSlow]

School voucher idea in the national post.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/mar...chool-vouchers

[KPHMPH]

I haven't read through this whole thread but has anyone mentioned the poor parents who SAVE up and go without to put their kids in private schooling to better the kids?

That goes against the "Rich parents can foot the whole bill" argument..... Because I have 2 sets of friends who currently do that.

[kertejud2]

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I haven't read through this whole thread but has anyone mentioned the poor parents who SAVE up and go without to put their kids in private schooling to better the kids?

That goes against the "Rich parents can foot the whole bill" argument..... Because I have 2 sets of friends who currently do that.

Always sad to see.

Their kids either don’t give a shit so they’re wasting money. Or the kids give a shit and they’ll succeed wherever they go and that money can be spent (or saved) better elsewhere.

I say this as somebody who grew up in the private school system: it isn’t worth the cost!