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    Just wondering if the city cares about whether or not I have a hand rail on exterior stairs on my RPR in order to get a compliance stamp? We are refinancing our mortgage and it looks like we have to provide an RPR to the lawyers office, landscaping / fencing has happened since the original build.

    I know we are probably not to code on this, but hoping the city won't care on the RPR. I've looked at the land use bylaw and they talk about set backs and projections into the yard from fences etc in regards to decks and patios.
    We have 3 concrete stairs leading to our back patio door, it's open on either side with no hand rail.


    If this will be an issue, any recommendations for a contractor who can help before the survey company comes next week?

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    You are correct encroachments past pl / setbacks are what would be mostly checked. RPRs just show deck heights. Decks need a permit over a certain height(2ft). That is what would be flagged and if you need a permit railing may come into it. Railing would not be flagged otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickyh View Post
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    Just wondering if the city cares about whether or not I have a hand rail on exterior stairs on my RPR in order to get a compliance stamp? We are refinancing our mortgage and it looks like we have to provide an RPR to the lawyers office, landscaping / fencing has happened since the original build.

    I know we are probably not to code on this, but hoping the city won't care on the RPR. I've looked at the land use bylaw and they talk about set backs and projections into the yard from fences etc in regards to decks and patios.
    We have 3 concrete stairs leading to our back patio door, it's open on either side with no hand rail.


    If this will be an issue, any recommendations for a contractor who can help before the survey company comes next week?
    I had nearly exact same issue and the RPR wasn't a problem.

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    I needed to get an RPR done when I was preparing to sell my house in 2017. I had a 2x6 planter set on the ground over a utility right of way (you could literally just lift it) and they marked it on the report as a structure and we were non-compliant because of it. I had to remove the planter to sell my house.

    They came and measured absolutely everything and it's distance to property lines even though it was all stuff that was already on the previous report. In a lot of cases they updated positions by a couple cm in different directions. They taught me things like the retaining wall on one side of my lot was installed crooked by 5cm, whereas the previous RPR showed it as parallel to the property line. As far as I know they're only looking for the footprint of things though, so I'd expect a missing handrail is not a big deal, I don't remember any hand rails being marked on my report, but the outline of the steps definitely was.

    I had to have the report redone after removing the planter and they only charged me $150 to come back and ammend the report, so if you're paying more than that to fix the railing maybe it's worth taking your chances?
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    I thought 3 steps didn't require a hand rail? We built our house in 2018 and remember that the builder said that 3 didn't require a hand rail and 4+ required a handrail. I recall seeing houses by us that do not have handrails with only 3 steps.

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    Just provide your lawyer with the original RPR report with the compliance stamp. Nobody is going to look to see how accurate it is for a refinance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    I had nearly exact same issue and the RPR wasn't a problem.
    Awesome! This what I want to hear.

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    I thought 3 steps didn't require a hand rail? We built our house in 2018 and remember that the builder said that 3 didn't require a hand rail and 4+ required a handrail. I recall seeing houses by us that do not have handrails with only 3 steps.
    Technically, it's the total height of the stairs. I've been trying to read / understand the Alberta building code

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    Just provide your lawyer with the original RPR report with the compliance stamp. Nobody is going to look to see how accurate it is for a refinance.
    Gave them that at our last refinance. The only copies I have are photocopies.

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    They never returned the originals to you? That seems odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roopi View Post
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    They never returned the originals to you? That seems odd.
    No, never crossed my mind they should. I'll make sure i get this one back though, costing me small fortune to have updated.
    The last experience I had with a RPR was in selling my old home, the lawyers kept it then (but that makes sense as the new buyer would need it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by realazy View Post
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    I thought 3 steps didn't require a hand rail? We built our house in 2018 and remember that the builder said that 3 didn't require a hand rail and 4+ required a handrail. I recall seeing houses by us that do not have handrails with only 3 steps.
    Not sure the old code but the new code says 3 risers, which when that includes the lip was 3 stairs. I'm not involved too much in that stuff but we just sat through a new presentation about that on Friday. Apparently Canadian Building Code, Alberta Edition comes into effect Dec 1 or something which had that change (and a bunch of stuff relating to handrail sizes so you can grip it).
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    I am reasonably confident it's 23.999" from grade doesn't require a railing.

    I had over 30" and it was fully negligent dangerous as it was my front step and landing. Someone could've fallen in my garden and gotten fucked up. I'd put bright orange flagging tape everywhere for Halloween.
    New owner insisted I leave all the railing parts there, ready to install and still hasn't fixed it, 3 years later!

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    Honest question. What’s the opposition to railings or people’s reasons for not having them?

    Is putting a railing in rocket science or something? Aesthetics?

    Sounds super common with annoying tons compliance implications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Honest question. What’s the opposition to railings or people’s reasons for not having them?

    Is putting a railing in rocket science or something? Aesthetics?

    Sounds super common with annoying tons compliance implications.
    Mine's a long story that isn't very good but to try and cut it short...
    I had existing stairs re-capped with stamped concrete and the second stupidest person I've ever come across on earth (contractor and bastard-in-law) repeatedly scolded me that the wrought iron railing would perfectly fit back on. Obviously, it didn't, so much so that it couldn't even be modified. He knew marth - I knew math, but if you dig up his bloated corpse (you'll find a bunch of my urine in the first few feet of earth near the headstone) and ask him, he'll say "he doesn't fuckin know nuthin!!"

    So... that left me to come up with a new design using that Home Depot kit which was all fine, until one goes to hammer drill the thin stamped concrete capped on cinder block steps nice and near the edge so the railing doesn't look completely Corky. It was like actively recognizing the incredible stupidity of your actions while you still had ample time to stop yourself yet still very consciously proceeding. It's like putting your dick on your sister's face while she's passed out at a party and getting friends to take pictures. "Really?! Are you actually doing this, for serious?! What's the fuckin plan, here!!? Who wins this game, Genius?!"

    You know what I mean?
    ... Perhaps not. At any rate...

    After chipping part of a step's nose off while the house was for sale, I quietly said The Lord's name in vain, tucked the building materials in the basement, drank too much gin with a rather sad Subway pizza sub and went to sleep. (Gin & a pizza sub??¿!!?¡? The golden shower of decisions keeps flowing!)

    I felt exactly like that Homer Simpson masonry scene which is one of the top 5 in Simpsons history.
    Looking back, I think it's hilarious but there were 19 things going poorly for me that week and holy fuck did that ever kick me over the edge.

    Aside from that, I have no aversion to adhering to the building code when it comes to railings.
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    It's like putting your dick on your sister's face while she's passed out at a party and getting friends to take pictures.
    We've all been there brother. Thanks for putting this I to terms we can relate to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    We've all been there brother. Thanks for putting this I to terms we can relate to.
    *Doffs hat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    I am reasonably confident it's 23.999" from grade doesn't require a railing.
    You are correct.
    We measure at 28"

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    Honest question. What’s the opposition to railings or people’s reasons for not having them?

    Is putting a railing in rocket science or something? Aesthetics?

    Sounds super common with annoying tons compliance implications.

    No aversion to being safe; we hired landscapers to do a job and in hindsight (as homeowners) should have done a little more due diligence on code and insisted that things were done correctly, the first time.
    Our concrete patio / steps is truthfully my biggest regret and in a few years we plan to have someone demo this and make it right.

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