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    Default Nukes are awesome! Small Modular Reactors that is

    Makes a ton of sense, I support these efforts and I also support putting public money into the research and development phase of the projects.
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gro...logy-1.5380316
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    Park one outside Fort Mac?

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    Well, depending on the size, probably park one or five at each steam plant, between cold lake and Fort Mackay.
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    I've heard they could be as small as three 40' shipping containers. If that's accurate, I assume that's on the small end of the output capacity range, so 5 MW or less maybe. That's enough to power a hospital, roughly.

    Probably need multiples of that for the Oilsands steam plants, or the upgraders.

    The tiny physical size and low output is actually the best part about them. Don't need to have some massive concentrated industrial use. Makes them applicable to many more places.
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    I'M ONLY OK WITH THIS IF BOTH SIDES OF THE AGREEMENT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO!


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    This is how the new gen US naval reactors work. They act as a number of modular cells installed as a battery, and when they reach the end of their useful life they replace them with new cells during standard retrofits and then use land facilities to do the dirty work of refueling and decommissioning.

    Saves a TON of money.

    Love nuclear power. I was always in favour of installing a several GW to power thermal oil sands projects. Would really shut Toma up on the carbon intensity of our industry.

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    I'M ONLY OK WITH THIS IF BOTH SIDES OF THE AGREEMENT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO!

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    Yea the technology and (intrinsic) safety systems now on nuclear fission reactors is very impressive. Just dont park them near major earthquake zones and oceans!!

    Calgary would be a good candidate for one. We have the water.

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    The greenies will never let it happen, they got all wound up over the decomissioning of the slowpoke research reactors, that they probably didn't even know existed until the shutdown was reported in the media.
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...erns-1.5264231

    Not only that, decarbonizing doesn't remove the racist misogynistic patriarchy from energy production.
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    Russia already put one on a boat.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2018...-this-weekend/

    Putin has the right idea. Realistically, a lot of areas you simply need a good "kick start" some power to mix concrete, some power tools, maybe build a hydro dam, but also maybe even melt a few solar panels from sand. Once the area has been improved (to the point where it has a minimal source of its own power generation) you simply sail to the next city that needs upgrades.

    Literally, the biggest baddest portable electric power tool in the world.

    Arguably, the USA is completely stupendously wasteful with their nuclear ocean vessels. Submarines that constantly patrol the oceans, never contributing electrical power to say places like Hawaii, that people could actually use. Dickwadish considering there isn't an active war going on that warrants wasting that much energy. I liken it to feeding a 10,000 man roman army to patrol a desert that has no enemies in it, massive waste that ultimately only enrages the supporting citizenry because they don't get to eat any food.

    USA has been full dickwad for decades now though, but they are also starting to piss off their own citizenry by not directly helping to improve their lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    Yea the technology and (intrinsic) safety systems now on nuclear fission reactors is very impressive. Just dont park them near major earthquake zones and oceans!!

    Calgary would be a good candidate for one. We have the water.
    Not to mention the uranium can come from neighbouring Saskatchewan.

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    From a global perspective, the place they should be building this is 36 US cents per kilowatt, Hawaii.

    Personally I think the US does not do it because for strategic military reasons that if it is invaded by any of a number of other nations, it will actually benefit any aggressor to the USA. Keeping the borders starving and subservient on welfare means that if you lose that border, it cannot easily benefit invaders.

    Just keeping it real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    Calgary would be a good candidate for one. We have the water.
    The issue with the Peace River plant was nobody wants to be downstream of it. I don't see SMR to be any different in regard to this concern.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...osal-1.1046668

    In term of physical security, I assume small or big, they will cost the same amount. So big reactors may be better in term of security cost per MW.

    I am surprised AB/MB didn't jump on this agreement even tho it's just PR stunt at this point. It does give the conservatives some green creds.
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    The issue with the Peace River plant was nobody wants to be downstream of it. I don't see SMR to be any different in regard to this concern.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...osal-1.1046668

    In term of physical security, I assume small or big, they will cost the same amount. So big reactors may be better in term of security cost per MW.

    I am surprised AB/MB didn't jump on this agreement even tho it's just PR stunt at this point. It does give the conservatives some green creds.
    My technical knowledge of the latest batch of Gen (5?) setups is limited, but my basic understanding is that the water is not used for moderating in any way, but just cooling and steam generation. Ie. there is no way for the radioactive water to contaminate the cooling water without a serious natural disaster for eg.

    Thus, I dont understand the opposition.

    Also, similar to places like Finland - we could also bury the (limited, as latest Gen reactors use up way more) waste deep underground, considering our stable geology.

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    Will run into the same problem Bruce Power had a decade ago - not in my fvcking backyard.
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    I don’t think any gen of nuclear reactors were open loop until the reactor itself. Always closed loop reactor with heat exchangers to the power generation/cooling side.
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    So what was the NIMBY issue/contention then? The warmer waters, potentially, causing loss of ecology?

    People need to be educated about non-chernobyl reactors. The technology has gone through 5 generations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    So what was the NIMBY issue/contention then? The warmer waters, potentially, causing loss of ecology?

    People need to be educated about non-chernobyl reactors. The technology has gone through 5 generations.
    People genuinely think these things just meltdown every 10-15 years.

    And make people grow third arms within 500km the rest of the time.

    You have a greater likelihood of being exposed to dangerous levels of radiation living near a hospital than a nuclear power plant.

    Or taking one transatlantic flight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    So what was the NIMBY issue/contention then? The warmer waters, potentially, causing loss of ecology?

    People need to be educated about non-chernobyl reactors. The technology has gone through 5 generations.
    https://inhabitat.com/three-eyed-fis...r-power-plant/

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainmen...-prof-1.807902

    Simpsons complete ruin public opinions of nuclear plants.

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    Time to start a media campaign then. Obviously people (including myself) know fuck all about how safe, non ocean/earthquake zone, modern reactors are.

    Green, efficient and scalable.

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