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    Quote Originally Posted by hampstor View Post
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    Cutting 300 FTE's and not getting called out on it is hilarious. No reduction in training budget, no reduction in non union staff wages, no reduction in maintenance plans, no deferred technology plans, no reductions in contractors, no analysis of in source vs. outsourced work, no capital plan on how to reduce operating costs, and on and on.
    This would be the difference between 'let's set a budget before the school year starts they can plan for to not cut FTEs' (the responsible thing) vs. 'we are going to wait until after the school year starts before telling you that you have less money to use than last year and you need to make cuts' (the ideological thing).

    As for the bolded, how would you expect a capital plan to save operations costs this year? They didn't even know what the capital budget was until the end of October, and most of that allocated money wouldn't even be available until the next budget cycle. You're asking them to save money in September 2019 from a budget given in October 2019 with capital funds for 2020-23.

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    You guys are too caught up in the details.

    Governments suck at doing ALL things because humans are hardwired to be driven by incentives.

    Government bureaucracies cannot be adequately exposed to incentives.

    The end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hampstor View Post
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    Yeah that's basically where i'm at on this topic too. It's become an "us vs them" zero sum discussion.

    Ministries operate just like departments in a corporation. If a department get less operating budget than what they asked for, they reprioritize and makes changes to business plans. Sometimes this means cutting operating costs like training, events, laptop refreshes, reducing maintenance schedules (running things to failure and replacing vs. proactive maintenance), reduces salaries, bonuses, reducing contractors, or reducing FTEs.

    If any department just goes to cutting FTEs without doing anything else, you should be questioning why they are doing that, not blindly holding it up as an example of the evil conservative trump supporters who are lining the pockets of big business at the expense of the people. It blows my mind that people will hide behind "You don't care about health, you're just supporting big corporations, you don't care about students" as a strawman against very basic business and budgeting practices.

    Cutting 300 FTE's and not getting called out on it is hilarious. No reduction in training budget, no reduction in non union staff wages, no reduction in maintenance plans, no deferred technology plans, no reductions in contractors, no analysis of in source vs. outsourced work, no capital plan on how to reduce operating costs, and on and on.

    To be clear, all the jobs are not going to be saved by cutting back on office supplies budget, but if you don't even look at your office supplies budget, then you're going to have very limited credibility with decision makers when you say "I don't have enough money to run my business".
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntan View Post
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    It's really sad how little you know. The ATA pension was underfunded by a couple billion, the Redfraud gov't topped it up. Think of the children!

    The CBE's lease on their building downtown is terrible. I'm sure you know nothing about it.

    And linking fucking Chomsky. ROFL.
    Chomsky at age 100, on his deathbed from a brain tumour would make more sense than you.

    It's a common "rape by privatization" step by step from the crony capitalist playbook. Didn't need Chomsky, but I googled it to have something to show the non readers.

    The lease. you are lying. It was negotiated during Calgary's unprecedented boom. I know, you would have made better decisions. But if the UCP government can go to bat and have the lease halved without some crazy penalty, I am all for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 04Terminator View Post
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    Chomsky at age 100, on his deathbed from a brain tumour would make more sense than you.

    It's a common "rape by privatization" step by step from the crony capitalist playbook. Didn't need Chomsky, but I googled it to have something to show the non readers.

    The lease. you are lying. It was negotiated during Calgary's unprecedented boom. I know, you would have made better decisions. But if the UCP government can go to bat and have the lease halved without some crazy penalty, I am all for that.
    All I see is you bitching about some minor layoffs - Whats your solution there Joseph Stalin? You think 300 temporary teachers are the line between Alberta having a great education system vs a piece of shit? Do you think spending on public services should go up in perpetuity with no eye to efficiency ever laid on it?

    You're just like the rest of the socialists, all up in arms whining about the end of the world when really, these layoffs will equate to zero change.

    50,000 oilfield workers figured it out when companies were forced to lean up, hopefully 300 temporary teachers can as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    This would be the difference between 'let's set a budget before the school year starts they can plan for to not cut FTEs' (the responsible thing) vs. 'we are going to wait until after the school year starts before telling you that you have less money to use than last year and you need to make cuts' (the ideological thing).

    As for the bolded, how would you expect a capital plan to save operations costs this year? They didn't even know what the capital budget was until the end of October, and most of that allocated money wouldn't even be available until the next budget cycle. You're asking them to save money in September 2019 from a budget given in October 2019 with capital funds for 2020-23.
    You can't. That's the point of planning.

    What is the current 2-3-4-5 year capital plan? What can you accelerate ? Do you need to cancel a capital project to redirect funds to another one to accelerate it?

    You know what happens when departments don't have plans when budgets are reduced? They scramble, find the biggest line in the budget, and cut that. The biggest line in any budget is always FTEs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hampstor View Post
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    You can't. That's the point of planning.

    What is the current 2-3-4-5 year capital plan? What can you accelerate ? Do you need to cancel a capital project to redirect funds to another one to accelerate it?

    You know what happens when departments don't have plans when budgets are reduced? They scramble, find the biggest line in the budget, and cut that. The biggest line in any budget is always FTEs.
    This. It's like people haven't had to deal with mid year budget changes at all haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riander5 View Post
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    Wait.. are you trying to sling affiliate links for cellphones in your signature
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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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    I would be interested to see the outcomes if the government hired a consulting firm to find efficiencies in health care, education, etc. They won't ever, but I bet it'd be money well spent if they actually dedicated funds to a third party optimization of their operating model. I'd be happy if my tax dollars went towards that.

    Government auditing government gl with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjblair View Post
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    I would be interested to see the outcomes if the government hired a consulting firm to find efficiencies in health care, education, etc. They won't ever, but I bet it'd be money well spent if they actually dedicated funds to a third party optimization of their operating model. I'd be happy if my tax dollars went towards that.

    Government auditing government gl with that.
    Good god do they ever need this. Wait until they show the public what the average unionized janitor, line cook, etc makes compared to private. Its the ancillary staff and their ridiculous wages dragging down AHS. Im not saying people don't deserve living wages but making double what someone else is because you clean the shitter in a hospital vs a commercial tower...

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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    I always enjoy hearing teacher/AHS friends talk about potential wage cuts etc.. like its completely foreign concept that would completely collapse their world... then seeing the look on their faces when I tell them my wage was cut back 10% and my 30% bonus went to 0 a few years back.
    IMO teachers are paid quite fairly, especially considering they get 3-4 months off every year that they could also find part time work to subsidize. Im guessing they would rather a few teachers let go per school than have their wages garnished by 5%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hampstor View Post
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    You can't. That's the point of planning.

    What is the current 2-3-4-5 year capital plan?

    What can you accelerate ? Do you need to cancel a capital project to redirect funds to another one to accelerate it?
    You're leaving out the most important part of this: 'it needs to save $32M in operating costs this budget'

    There's a 3 year capital plan done every year. Here's the most recent https://cbe.ab.ca/FormsManuals/Three...-2019-2022.pdf

    This year CBE sent it onto the government April 1, and they got a budget at the end of October. Hard to redirect funds and accelerate projects when you don't know how much funding you have. Then redirect and accelerate capital funding on projects that won't even be done in this budget to save operations money in this budget isn't practical advice. Hell, most won't even begin this budget because there's school in session. Replacing Diefenbaker's heating system and upgrading the electrical, or A.E. Cross' vinyl-asbestos floor tile replacement probably isn't best done in the middle of a school year, and is unlikely to save $32M or close to it in operations funding.

    You know what happens when departments don't have plans when budgets are reduced? They scramble, find the biggest line in the budget, and cut that. The biggest line in any budget is always FTEs.
    When you're given a budget on Oct 28 and need to make a major cut and Dec 2 is when you have to decide whether to renew temp teacher contracts to save that money, damn straight they scramble.

    Give them a budget on time and they probably wouldn't have to scramble. But not wanting to hurt Scheer's election chances was more important than announcing a prudent education budget.

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    Weren't the NDP supposed to release a shadow budget 2 months ago? Not like the UCP are the only ones running late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtsniffer View Post
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    Weren't the NDP supposed to release a shadow budget 2 months ago? Not like the UCP are the only ones running late.
    Maybe if the shadow budget was released CBE could have made shadow budget cuts and the shadow temp teachers would keep their shadow jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    Maybe if the shadow budget was released CBE could have made shadow budget cuts and the shadow temp teachers would keep their shadow jobs.
    Considering there was no way to pay for anything the NDP budgeted, this is probably the most accurate depiction of the NDP’s promises you have ever made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Considering there was no way to pay for anything the NDP budgeted, this is probably the most accurate depiction of the NDP’s promises you have ever made.

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    I mean, the same rings true for the UCP given the deficit they're running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    I mean, the same rings true for the UCP given the deficit they're running.
    Did the NDP make any truly hard decisions with their budgets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    I mean, the same rings true for the UCP given the deficit they're running.
    Agreed. I have been very clear that they should fire way more government employees than projected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Agreed. I have been very clear that they should fire way more government employees than projected.
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