UCP supporters why you so silent?

[riander5]

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Found 2018 for you, number was actually up to 1,200 education degrees granted. Shucks.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/u...L/Introduction
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Might want to call the faculty again as ask how many degrees TOTAL were granted in 2019, cause your number reeks of being just from June convocation and Either Jan or Fall admittance. Cause either they magically cut the program in half for this year (probably a good idea) or you are just completely out of left field.

That tableau is very convenient, showing the number of degrees granted going up every year that they have data in there for the past 5 years.

What a rough program it must be.

You just need to read his posts to know that he's out to left field. I think he's secretly a teacher that expected to become a multimillionaire from teaching grade 7 and has had his hopes and dreams dashed

[kobe tai]

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I think it's an exposure, point of reference thing.

I'm sure most teachers would be blown away job shadowing a person in the private sector with high responsibility high stress jobs.
They just don't have a perspective on what people are actually doing out there.
Especially in July.

Can easily reverse this - you could easily shadow a teacher as well and be blown away with the high responsibility and high stress. (I am in the private sector btw and have been lucky making more money that my wife for much less work).

[pheoxs]

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I think it's an exposure, point of reference thing.

I'm sure most teachers would be blown away job shadowing a person in the private sector with high responsibility high stress jobs.
They just don't have a perspective on what people are actually doing out there.
Especially in July.

Fucking 100% This.

Seriously, these teachers need to stop being little bitches and wake up to real work. They have no clue what its like to argue with people on Beyond all morning over pointless topics that no one will change their beliefs. They act like trying to teach the lesson while also keeping kids in line, not being able to take a bathroom break, and having 5 minutes between classes to switch everything over for the next lesson is harder than arguing on the internet.

[Rarasaurus]

Private VS Public Sector Alberta
Easy solution cut 9% salaries across the board and we can all be even Steven.

[davidI]

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Can easily reverse this - you could easily shadow a teacher as well and be blown away with the high responsibility and high stress. (I am in the private sector btw and have been lucky making more money that my wife for much less work).

I agree with this. My parents were teachers and my girlfriend is a teacher. They work a lot more hours and have a lot more stress than most private sectors people I know who are making far more (myself included). My girlfriend typically works 0.5-1.5 days of the weekend and is regularly up marking or dealing with report cards until midnight on weeknights.

The holidays, job security, and pension benefits in Canada do help make up for it though.

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Found 2018 for you, number was actually up to 1,200 education degrees granted. Shucks.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/u...L/Introduction
Attachment 88482

Screen shot from tableau, easily verifiable from the link I sent.

Might want to call the faculty again as ask how many degrees TOTAL were granted in 2019, cause your number reeks of being just from June convocation and Either Jan or Fall admittance. Cause either they magically cut the program in half for this year (probably a good idea) or you are just completely out of left field.

That tableau is very convenient, showing the number of degrees granted going up every year that they have data in there for the past 5 years.

What a rough program it must be.

Your Tableau numbers include both Undergrad and Grad degrees. Easy to see through your own link.

[04Terminator]

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You just need to read his posts to know that he's out to left field. I think he's secretly a teacher that expected to become a multimillionaire from teaching grade 7 and has had his hopes and dreams dashed

Puhlease. Who the hell on beyond isn't a multi millionaire?

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[Buster]

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Can easily reverse this - you could easily shadow a teacher as well and be blown away with the high responsibility and high stress. (I am in the private sector btw and have been lucky making more money that my wife for much less work).

The information isn't symmetrical. I know far more about teachers work obligations and stress than the know about mine.

[davidI]

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The information isn't symmetrical. I know far more about teachers work obligations and stress than the know about mine.

What's the basis of this statement? i.e. how do you know far more?

[Buster]

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What's the basis of this statement? i.e. how do you know far more?

That's always the case when someone is doing work for you. It's part of my role to understand how the schools work. It's not part of a teachers job to know what their customers do.

[vengie]

Slight devils advocate to all of this.
My wife is a teacher, they do work hard, and put up with an INSANE amount of mental stress by teaching your “special little angels”. That said, there are some shitty teachers who take advantage of the system. But these people will always exist if the system enables them to act this way.
My wife teaches in the NE, majority ESL students in her class (refugees included). The majority of her students don’t have a stable home, nor are they clothed or fed properly. As such they have major behaviour problems and because of that are far behind their grade level from an educational standpoint.
Personally, you couldn’t pay me enough to do her job. The time off is well earned in my eyes, and I’m private sector oilfield services working just as much (if not more in some cases) than the rest of you.

All I’m saying is have some empathy, it’s fucked up what some teachers themselves deal with on the day to day.

[asp integra]

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I seriously, seriously doubt that teachers put in more OT than the average Canadian out there.

I would not argue this for most teachers I have heard about, but the amount of OT my wife puts in as a teacher is insane. She usually spends 3-5 hours EVERY SINGLE DAY working on things for her class, marking etc. Its even more than 3-5 hours/day in the month leading up to report cards. I would say she is in the 1% of teachers that work that hard. I always joke that she needs to get a job in the private sector for how hard she works, she could be making $200k + easily.

[Buster]

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I would not argue this for most teachers I have heard about, but the amount of OT my wife puts in as a teacher is insane. She usually spends 3-5 hours EVERY SINGLE DAY working on things for her class, marking etc. Its even more than 3-5 hours/day in the month leading up to report cards. I would say she is in the 1% of teachers that work that hard. I always joke that she needs to get a job in the private sector for how hard she works, she could be making $200k + easily.

Good teachers are the victims of the teachers Union as much as the students

[sabad66]

It’s amazing how many spouses of beyonders who are teachers are also the top 1% of hardworking teachers and thus deserve their wage and even more, where the other 99% are leaches and take advantage of the system.

[asp integra]

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Good teachers are the victims of the teachers Union as much as the students

Yup, and for every good teacher there are 5 that are taking advantage of the union, sick days, doing less than that bare minimum etc.

[davidI]

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That's always the case when someone is doing work for you. It's part of my role to understand how the schools work. It's not part of a teachers job to know what their customers do.

This statement just reinforces the biggest stress/time consumer for teachers: arrogant parents who think they know it all.

I'm guessing you're an engineer? They seem to be the worst for thinking they know how to do the jobs of everyone around them in my experience.

I agree with a lot of what you post but your opinion here reeks of ignorance.

[Buster]

I wonder how rested I would feel of I got July and August off. Been going hard for at least a dozen years with no significant breaks.

Stress would be a shit ton easier to handle if I got to reset it for a few weeks every summer.

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This statement just reinforces the biggest stress/time consumer for teachers: arrogant parents who think they know it all.

I'm guessing you're an engineer? They seem to be the worst for thinking they know how to do the jobs of everyone around them in my experience.

I agree with a lot of what you post but your opinion here reeks of ignorance.

See? You have no idea what I do but know a lot about what teachers do. Exactly my point.

[kobe tai]

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I wonder how rested I would feel of I got July and August off. Been going hard for at least a dozen years with no significant breaks.

Stress would be a shit ton easier to handle if I got to reset it for a few weeks every summer.

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See? You have no idea what I do but know a lot about what teachers do. Exactly my point.

The recipe was outlined here already. 5 years of school and then a couple years of temporary contracts and you'll be coasting through life at the $60k starting wage. What are you waiting for?

[Buster]

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The recipe was outlined here already. 5 years of school and then a couple years of temporary contracts and you'll be coasting through life at the $60k starting wage. What are you waiting for?

Okay, I'll play.

If teachers have the work ethic of a 1%er, the passion of a performing artist, and the dedication of a senior law partner, then why don't they bring their talents to the private sector? The biggest barrier to $$$ in the private sector is sacrifice, dedication, and smarts. If teachers have all of these qualities, why are they settling for low compensation, high stress and long work hours. Why do they need one of the country's most powerful unions defending their interests? The opposite would be true - teacher compensation would be rising as they get picked off into fatcat corporate jobs?

[vengie]

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It’s amazing how many spouses of beyonders who are teachers are also the top 1% of hardworking teachers and thus deserve their wage and even more, where the other 99% are leaches and take advantage of the system.

Perhaps teachers work harder than your pre-conceived notion of them?

Edit: not to mention Beyond is full of relatively high achievers, most wont settle for a partner who doesn’t accentuate that. Meaning they are also likely a high achiever in their own right.