Scheer is out...who's next?

[duaner]

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Exactly, we understand that it's 2020 but they feel that it's 1920 (or wish it still was.)

What do you mean by that, exactly?

The current Liberals are far-left and view things through Marxist ideology, through a post-modern, post-truth lens, and all the nonsense that stems from these, such as identity politics. To argue to dates is what Trudeau did when he was first elected and was asked why his cabinet was half women: "Because it's 2015." That is about the worst answer he could give but is not all surprising.

[JRSC00LUDE]

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You were just claiming earlier that someone doesn't have decency because they refused to march in a parade. When you make voluntarily participating in a parade the litmus test as to who is decent, you fail the grasp the strong irony in trying to claim people other people are "socially controlling of other people's lives". When in reality, trying to paint someone as not being decent, all because they don't want to participate in a voluntary parade, is an incredibly manipulative and strong form of social control you're trying to apply to his life, and anyone who disagrees with you on this issue.

I disagree with your interpretation of my position. He, any of the candidates, could literally just leave abortion topics alone as is and choose to accept people's personal sexuality and two big issues costing them votes would disappear. Do they HAVE to march in a parade? Of course not. But if they'd just shut up about some things and publicly display some other things that showed a semblance of respect and acceptance it would go miles. As a by-product of some tolerance we likely wouldn't be stuck with this virtue signalling, socially conscious beyond reason, disaster of a Government.

That's my point. Also yes, you don't have much decency if you can't display some toward others by simply accepting that people are different.

[Buster]

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I disagree with your interpretation of my position. He, any of the candidates, could literally just leave abortion topics alone as is and choose to accept people's personal sexuality and two big issues costing them votes would disappear. Do they HAVE to march in a parade? Of course not. But if they'd just shut up about some things and publicly display some other things that showed a semblance of respect and acceptance it would go miles. As a by-product of some tolerance we likely wouldn't be stuck with this virtue signalling, socially conscious beyond reason, disaster of a Government.

That's my point. Also yes, you don't have much decency if you can't display some toward others by simply accepting that people are different.

People with non-conservative social policies have tried and failed for the leadership of the party. Alberta/west voters are largely to blame for this. Western Conservatives often want two things: good economic policy and conservative social policy. They aren't willing to give up one to get the other, which is stupid.

[JRSC00LUDE]

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People with non-conservative social policies have tried and failed for the leadership of the party. Alberta/west voters are largely to blame for this. Western Conservatives often want two things: good economic policy and conservative social policy. They aren't willing to give up one to get the other, which is stupid.

Agreed, which is why I said the base is too stupid to get elected again.

[duaner]

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People with non-conservative social policies have tried and failed for the leadership of the party. Alberta/west voters are largely to blame for this. Western Conservatives often want two things: good economic policy and conservative social policy. They aren't willing to give up one to get the other, which is stupid.

It’s called having integrity in one’s convictions. How is that stupid? I get it that we’ve had 5 years of zero integrity from the Liberals but people who have principles and are willing to stand for what they believe is right can hardly be called stupid. Stupid is abandoning one’s convictions just to get power.

[JRSC00LUDE]

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It’s called having integrity in one’s convictions. How is that stupid? I get it that we’ve had 5 years of zero integrity from the Liberals but people who have principles and are willing to stand for what they believe is right can hardly be called stupid. Stupid is abandoning one’s convictions just to get power.

Stupid is refusing to realize your beliefs and ways aren't conducive to a happy world and to not give up outdated ideals and unrealistic moral positions that infringe upon others rights to choose.

[duaner]

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Stupid is refusing to realize your beliefs and ways aren't conducive to a happy world and to not give up outdated ideals and unrealistic moral positions that infringe upon others rights to choose.

Laws always have legislated morality, for good reason. If people always simply have the right to choose, they will inevitably end up harming someone else. As an example, what is the actual issue with abortion?

[tirebob]

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Laws always have legislated morality, for good reason. If people always simply have the right to choose, they will inevitably end up harming someone else. As an example, what is the actual issue with abortion?

Annnnnnd... We're off! *looking for popcorn*

[A790]

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Annnnnnd... We're off! *looking for popcorn*

lol ain't that the truth, eh?

[duaner]

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Annnnnnd... We're off! *looking for popcorn*

I’m just trying to show why the argument that Conservatives should abandon conservative social policy shows a level of ignorance as to how such Conservatives view those issues. Having convictions and standing up for what one believes is right used to be considered a virtue, but society as a whole has been drinking from the Leftist punch bowl for far too long.

[revelations]

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Interesting.

Letting people decide when to die: good, let people do what they want!
Letting people pay for their own healthcare: bad, people shouldn't be allowed to do what they want!

I don't get people who want to regulate other people.

How about hate speech laws and Liberals: bad! We must regulate people's mouths, but never their uteruses!

I wish Liberals and Conservatives just take each of their pet issues about controlling others' actions, and beat it.

I dont follow, I disagree with having only publicly funded medicare. People should have a choice.

I also think that Ottawa should decentralize power, much more down to the provinces, kill off the military and establish a self-defense force/peacekeeping force only. etc.

Further to this, we should have power down to the local rep, not some far off MP in Ottawa or an MLA in dedmonton.

[Tik-Tok]

It's only virtuous if you agree with their opinion.

Otherwise Nazi's were virtuous. Slave holders were virtuous. Keeping women from voting was virtuous. Etc. Etc.

[A790]

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I’m just trying to show why the argument that Conservatives should abandon conservative social policy shows a level of ignorance as to how such Conservatives view those issues. Having convictions and standing up for what one believes is right used to be considered a virtue, but society as a whole has been drinking from the Leftist punch bowl for far too long.

Compromise and inclusion are also virtues, but there doesn't appear to be much room for that in politics these days as you "righties" love to demonstrate.

[duaner]

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Compromise and inclusion are also virtues, but there doesn't appear to be much room for that in politics these days as you "righties" love to demonstrate.

Ha! You cannot be serious. The Left constantly talks about diversity and inclusion but what they really mean is diversity of gender, skin colour, etc., not in thought, opinion, or belief, and everyone is included except those who think or believe differently. Trudaue’s virtue-signalling on abortion is a clear example of this. Of course, it happens on all sides but is particularly bad on the Left.

[Buster]

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I dont follow, I disagree with having only publicly funded medicare. People should have a choice.

I also think that Ottawa should decentralize power, much more down to the provinces, kill off the military and establish a self-defense force/peacekeeping force only. etc.

Further to this, we should have power down to the local rep, not some far off MP in Ottawa or an MLA in dedmonton.

I may have misunderstood your point on healthcare...

[A790]

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Ha! You cannot be serious. The Left constantly talks about diversity and inclusion but what they really mean is diversity of gender, skin colour, etc., not in thought, opinion, or belief, and everyone is included except those who think or believe differently. Trudaue’s virtue-signalling on abortion is a clear example of this. Of course, it happens on all sides but is particularly bad on the Left.

Mate, my post was what was called "bait" and you ate it up.

[duaner]

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Welp, since no one wants to tell me why the cons are socially cons (I dont follow their party) - here are some of their official positions I dont agree with:

• Publicly funded healthcare (should be public + private, and is a provincial matter, not federal)

How long has Alberta had a two-tier system and who brought it in? Publicly funded healthcare is typically socialist, is it not?

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Mate, my post was what was called "bait" and you ate it up.

Ah, you’re one of those kinds of posters.

[A790]

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Ah, you’re one of those kinds of posters.

Mate, your posts are rooted entirely in ideology and rely on so many assumptions that they aren't really worth engaging.

Case and point: I threw the same type of "logic" back at you and you replied with "HA! You can't be serious", and you did so unironically. That's because you're one of those types of posters.

[CompletelyNumb]

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Compromise and inclusion are also virtues, but there doesn't appear to be much room for that in politics these days as you "righties" love to demonstrate.

Am rightie, can confirm.

[kertejud2]

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People with non-conservative social policies have tried and failed for the leadership of the party. Alberta/west voters are largely to blame for this. Western Conservatives often want two things: good economic policy and conservative social policy. They aren't willing to give up one to get the other, which is stupid.

Social conservatives happily give up good economic policy to get conservative social policy any chance they get.