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    Don’t blame SNC. Blame the morons who keep voting for the guys who enable them.

    SNC nonsense is the symptom. Canadians are the disease.

    As per usual.
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    WSP will be a close second.
    Who are they? They are rebranded GENIVAR - a Quebec company (le shock) who became embroiled in le controversy due to... Wait for it... Le bribes!

    So they bought WSP while they were being caught and decided that name sounded better because it wasn't currently under a scandal. Since then they've been buying les competitors all over the place. Most recently, Golder.

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    Deferred prosecution agreements have been advocated as way to resolving a lot white collar cases. They're cheaper to long, drawn-out proceedings and happen a hell of a lot faster.

    It's basically another way to plea bargain. Not unlike those plea bargains where someone pleads guilty to a charge and the Courts make them pay a fine and do 300 hours of community service, for example.
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    Yea. The fact that we don’t prosecute people to the fullest extent of the law for crimes is a huge problem in this country.
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    Yea. The fact that we don’t prosecute people to the fullest extent of the law for crimes is a huge problem in this country.
    SNC self-reported the bribes, which is part of the reasoning for DPAs. Otherwise, they could've just buried it and started an anti-corruption program to make it look like they were being proactive.

    Under a criminal conviction, SNC would've been barred from bidding on any federal projects. One would argue that that is a fair penance for committing the bribes, but you'd also have to weigh that against how many people are effected by their ineligibility. That would include countless engineers, construction, trades, admins, etc.

    DPAs are supposed to incentivize self-reporting because it allows a financial and reputational hit that is shouldered by the company itself, rather than by the employees who (likely) had no role in the malfeasance of their executives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sexualbanana View Post
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    SNC self-reported the bribes, which is part of the reasoning for DPAs. Otherwise, they could've just buried it and started an anti-corruption program to make it look like they were being proactive.

    Under a criminal conviction, SNC would've been barred from bidding on any federal projects. One would argue that that is a fair penance for committing the bribes, but you'd also have to weigh that against how many people are effected by their ineligibility. That would include countless engineers, construction, trades, admins, etc.

    DPAs are supposed to incentivize self-reporting because it allows a financial and reputational hit that is shouldered by the company itself, rather than by the employees who (likely) had no role in the malfeasance of their executives.
    I can’t describe in words how deeply I disagree with literally everything you have said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    I can’t describe in words how deeply I disagree with literally everything you have said.
    Preach brother.

    Signing a DPA should disbar a company from bidding on any gov projects for a set amount of time. As otherwise, there is clear self interest at play for the gov to go DPA as well. It's effectively a legal form of bribery.
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    lol if people don't understand that SNC not only paid bribes to get awarded contracts, but they paid bribes to get DPA, paid bribes to win influence with the PMO, etc.
    Tap, Rack, BANG!

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    The lesson here, which can be applied to most things, is don't be poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    I can’t describe in words how deeply I disagree with literally everything you have said.
    Word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sexualbanana View Post
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    Under a criminal conviction, SNC would've been barred from bidding on any federal projects. One would argue that that is a fair penance for committing the bribes, but you'd also have to weigh that against how many people are effected by their ineligibility. That would include countless engineers, construction, trades, admins, etc.
    I will say the same thing I told my inlaws as their position is similar. The DPA and the ability for them to continue to operate does affect countless engineers/construction/trades/admins, but it's the ones that work at other companies like one of the ones I work at and many others.

    In a free market if we were to crush SNC then another firm, like mine, would fill that void. The employees of SNC would have no problem finding work at any other firm.

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    Anyone who argues that corruption is a net positive to society is not someone I'd like to engage with.
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    It's been shown time and time again that SNC is untouchable, right up to the PMO level. They've been operating in Quebec for over 100 years, and the Quebec pension manager has like 20-25% stake in the company.

    Even if they do wrong, people look the other way. They're essentially the Quebecois Mafia doing dirty work, and so intertwined with the community that they're instead beloved. Like mobsters giving away turkeys, SNC keeps the decision-makers happy.
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    Canadians are a bunch of beta bitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sexualbanana View Post
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    SNC self-reported the bribes, which is part of the reasoning for DPAs. Otherwise, they could've just buried it and started an anti-corruption program to make it look like they were being proactive.

    Under a criminal conviction, SNC would've been barred from bidding on any federal projects. One would argue that that is a fair penance for committing the bribes, but you'd also have to weigh that against how many people are effected by their ineligibility. That would include countless engineers, construction, trades, admins, etc.

    DPAs are supposed to incentivize self-reporting because it allows a financial and reputational hit that is shouldered by the company itself, rather than by the employees who (likely) had no role in the malfeasance of their executives.
    I don't often read posts that make me want to rage vomit. Well done.
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    I’m half wondering if that is just a straight up troll attempt.
    Originally posted by Thales of Miletus

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    I’m half wondering if that is just a straight up troll attempt.
    Best one in a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    I’m half wondering if that is just a straight up troll attempt.
    No, it's a pretty succinct summary of the reasoning behind DPAs. That's literally the argument for them.

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    29m fine for a 128m project. Still probably profited.
    That's the fucked up part of this nonsense. You get these NDP type voters who just equate tax revenue=service. It's clear as day here though, even if you don't understand the basic concept of bureaucracy, it's clear that tax payers just paid for the bribe on top of the construction costs(that were already wildly inflated). How are so many tax payers happy about this type of thing?



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    Under a criminal conviction, SNC would've been barred from bidding on any federal projects. One would argue that that is a fair penance for committing the bribes, but you'd also have to weigh that against how many people are effected by their ineligibility. That would include countless engineers, construction, trades, admins, etc.

    That's a giant misnomer. Engineers, construction trades, admins, etc. Would all be needed by whichever contractor wins the bid. Said contractor would just be sub-contracting those same people for the project, they just wouldn't be paid by SNC.
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    Most people can't figure out their own finances, let alone how gov't collects revenue. People still believe Alberta gets more equalization than we give.

    Propaganda works wonders.

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