PHEV thread (potentially mega)

[The_Rural_Juror]

Tesla PHEV would be amazetesticles.

[ThePenIsMightier]

Weird that I don't recall seeing this on the original date...
No mention of the Lexus RX450H, yet? I think folks have been quite happy with those for the last several years. BMW i8 or i4? What about that smaller Lexus C thing?

Have I embarrassed myself and these vehicles are not in this category?

[benyl]

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Matrix Phev?

Honda should license the tech and put it into the Fit. That would be Ultra Savage™

[ExtraSlow]

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Honda should license the tech and put it into the Fit. That would be Ultra Savage™

I think you are joking, but a performance focused fit phev would be amazing.

[Xtrema]

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Even a corolla woukd be amazeballs

Come on, A 268HP AWD Corolla hatch is already coming to take on Golf R.

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Do we have a dedicated Rav 4 prime thread? Anyway..


https://www.autoblog.com/2020/05/29/...prime-pricing/

New numbers:

5.7 0-60
42 miles EV range
ICE engine retuned for more low end torque
39,2xx USD

If Toyota throws us a bone and allows 44,9xx pricing - we qualify for government subsidy. Is it $5000 on a PHEV like on a BEV under $45?

This prime for 40k CDN would be a bargain.

The problem I see like Extrslow said is allocation.

$39K USD = $54K CAD They lose $9K CAD on every unit not shipped to US if they sell that same model for $45K CAD in Canada.

Also, I believe they qualify for $7500 USD Fed rebate for the next 150k+ units. And some states may pile on some rebates too. So it should sell like hot cakes down there to.

Doesn't matter, heard BC and Quebec are the only province that get allocation in the beginning since they have extra incentives. If Canada get any allocation after US and EU, it'll go to those 2 provinces.

[Xtrema]

One of the unavoidable outcomes of significant production adjustments due to COVID-19 has been a reduction in supply of RAV4 Prime in 2020 calendar year. At the same time, current government rebates and regulations have necessitated an adjustment to the RAV4 family model mix across our area. Therefore, Toyota will launch the 2021MY RAV4 Prime beginning from July 2020 in the Quebec market only this calendar year. Launch for the rest of the country will begin in January 2021, with possibility of ordering beginning at the end of 2020 calendar year.

No RAV4 PHEV outside of Quebec at launch.

[ExtraSlow]

Ouch. So probably mid 2021 before significant stock in Alberta.

[ExtraSlow]

Volvo has lotsa PHEV's:
CleanTechnica: 14% of Volvo Sales = ...g-in-vehicles/

[ExtraSlow]

Ford Escape PHEV sounds like a nice option to the Rav4 if you are okay with fwd and slightly smaller size. Will be cheaper and likely easier to get your hands on.

[Xtrema]

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Ford Escape PHEV sounds like a nice option to the Rav4 if you are okay with fwd and slightly smaller size. Will be cheaper and likely easier to get your hands on.

Won't be surprised if it's another compliance model and only ship to California. Their mandate is 9% EV/PHEV this year.

[ExtraSlow]

Hmmm, maybe. The Ford.ca website does say "phev available spring 2020, contact dealer for preorders" so that doesn't really clarify things.

[Brent.ff]

A bit of identity crisis near Red Deer this weekend

[killramos]

Please please please tell me you hooked it up to a gas generator to top it up

[Brent.ff]

ha not mine, but there is zero chance he didnt have a big genny with that rig

[Skrilla]

Been waiting to hear from my local dealer to get allocation. Wife's CRV will be around 4 years by release time and this looks like the perfect replacement. Stupid question but how do the rebates on these work, are they taken off at purchase or do you apply later? Also TRD CH-R should have this engine

EDIT: called just now and they are saying what was stated above, allocation outside Quebec wont happen until 2021.

[Xtrema]

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Been waiting to hear from my local dealer to get allocation. Wife's CRV will be around 4 years by release time and this looks like the perfect replacement. Stupid question but how do the rebates on these work, are they taken off at purchase or do you apply later? Also TRD CH-R should have this engine

Not sure what TRD CH-R will have but if they are following the hot hatch Yaris and Corolla route, it should have a 3cyl - 1.6T. Not this PHEV drivetrain.

Quebec at launch because there is EV mandate in that province.

BC availability is next in Feb 2021 if their provincial rebate still exists.

Most expect all Fed EV rebates to run out of funding by the fall/winter and will not be topped up.

Toyota need to deliver 60k units to EU in 2020 to avoid $380M in fines.

And if they price SE model at $45K CAD for Federal EV rebate, they potentially loses $8K CAD for every unit that get sent to Canada instead of US.

So Canadians getting their hands on one will be next to impossible until the factory in Japan can ramp up.

[rage2]

For the above reasons, because AB doesn't have any incentives, we get nothing. Even the bottom feeder Bolts, we barely got any here. Same with the Chrysler Pacifica PHEV, which is a pretty sweet setup for a minivan.

[Xtrema]

Here's release on the forbidden fruit.

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/06/20...ns-rav4-prime/

Not sure if it's really hot, or only hot because we can't get it.

[heavyD]

RAV4 is such a mediocre vehicle. I don’t understand why anyone is clamoring for a PHEV version of a mediocre CUV that’s going to be ridiculously overpriced.

[ExtraSlow]

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RAV4 is such a mediocre vehicle. I don’t understand why anyone is clamoring for a PHEV version of a mediocre CUV that’s going to be ridiculously overpriced.

Well, firstly, this is no longer an auto enthusiasts forum, so keep that in mind. Secondly, most people have a "boring family vehicle" and the Rav4 fits the bill really nicely. The fact that it's faster, and more fuel efficient are benefits.

I mean, suv's in general are "uninspiring", but Porsche and BMW wouldn't be alive without them. Enthusiast cars are money losers.