PHEV thread (potentially mega)

[killramos]

Yup this is a how to get your kids between their Montessori school and aspen as safely and cheaply as possible forum. RAV4 fits the bill nicely.

Actually, RAV4’s are great. Don’t understand the hate at all.

It’s essentially the same thing as an X3M with a few less horsepower lol

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Yup this is a how to get your kids between their Montessori school and aspen as safely and cheaply as possible forum. RAV4 fits the bill nicely.

Actually, RAV4’s are great. Don’t understand the hate at all.

It’s essentially the same thing as an X3M with a few less horsepower lol

Agreed. Rented one in Victoria last year, surprised at how decent it was. Low expectations I guess.

Fucking thing even drove the highways mostly on it's own.

[bjstare]

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Yup this is a how to get your kids between their Montessori school and aspen as safely and cheaply as possible forum. RAV4 fits the bill nicely.

Actually, RAV4’s are great. Don’t understand the hate at all.

It’s essentially the same thing as an X3M with a few less horsepower lol

X3M fits the bill nicely. Driving a RAV4 in aspen would be unheard of, and repulsive to all local residents.

[killramos]

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X3M fits the bill nicely. Driving a RAV4 in aspen would be unheard of, and repulsive to all local residents.

My mistake

[heavyD]

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Well, firstly, this is no longer an auto enthusiasts forum, so keep that in mind. Secondly, most people have a "boring family vehicle" and the Rav4 fits the bill really nicely. The fact that it's faster, and more fuel efficient are benefits.

I mean, suv's in general are "uninspiring", but Porsche and BMW wouldn't be alive without them. Enthusiast cars are money losers.

Thats why I bought an enthusiast SUV. I just think there's much better alternatives to the RAV4 which sells on reputation over substance. Having spent time driving the in-laws 2020 RAV4 I was shocked by just how mediocre a vehicle it is. The infotainment system graphics are straight out of 2005 and the engine sounds like a buzz saw when you try to accelerate. I still marvel about the quality of my 1993 MR2 Turbo and am sad how far Toyota has fallen.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

I have to say I agree with HeavyD. I find Toyotas in general sell on hype of resale and reliability but are actually really mediocre products imo.

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Yup this is a how to get your kids between their Montessori school and aspen as safely and cheaply as possible forum. RAV4 fits the bill nicely.

Actually, RAV4’s are great. Don’t understand the hate at all.

It’s essentially the same thing as an X3M with a few less horsepower lol

The X3M Comp is the strangest vehicle I've ever owned. You sit up high yet it corners as good or better than any of the hot hatches I've owned and in a straight line will crush nearly anything on the street outside of a C8 Corvette and German supercars. It feels unnatural to drive an SUV that feels like a sports car but here we are and the best part is I can drive my boys to their sports and haul my dog around in his crate which is something that I couldn't do with my M2 and was a stretch even in a Golf R.

[Chandler_Racing]

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Yup this is a how to get your kids between their Montessori school and aspen as safely and cheaply as possible forum. RAV4 fits the bill nicely.

Actually, RAV4’s are great. Don’t understand the hate at all.

It’s essentially the same thing as an X3M with a few less horsepower lol

I bought my wife an X1 -> Rav4 -> CRV

The X1 was good, Rav4 was a turd and CRV is a major improvement.

[bjstare]

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My mistake

It's ok, obviously you aren't from Aspen so you wouldn't know the difference.

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I have to say I agree with HeavyD. I find Toyotas in general sell on hype of resale and reliability but are actually really mediocre products imo.

If Toyotas were as nice as they are reliable, they would cost a fortune. All cars are designed to a budget, can't have everything. Lexus vs the Germans is another great example.. they aren't as nice, but they're way more reliable.

[killramos]

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It's ok, obviously you aren't from Aspen so you wouldn't know the difference.

My lowly neighborhood is full of rav4’s. Must be trash.

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My lowly neighborhood is full of rav4’s.

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Still find it funny that RAV4 prime is considered ridiculously overpriced and that the X3M in comparison is a much better vehicle at twice the overpriced price of the RAV4 prime haha.

For the money, it’s a solid utilitarian CUV with some straight line performance upsides. I’m not buying one but it’s a great car for family that aren’t the car guy exceptions like us.

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Still find it funny that RAV4 prime is considered ridiculously overpriced and that the X3M in comparison is a much better vehicle at twice the overpriced price of the RAV4 prime haha.

For the money, it’s a solid utilitarian CUV with some straight line performance upsides. I’m not buying one but it’s a great car for family that aren’t the car guy exceptions like us.

I don't think anyone said the X3M is a good value. In my experience all luxury vehicles are poor value when you consider resale, operating costs, etc. I just feel the CR-V and CX-5 (also have driven a fair bit) are superior CUV's and the Koreans aren't far behind.

[Xtrema]

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Thats why I bought an enthusiast SUV. I just think there's much better alternatives to the RAV4 which sells on reputation over substance. Having spent time driving the in-laws 2020 RAV4 I was shocked by just how mediocre a vehicle it is. The infotainment system graphics are straight out of 2005 and the engine sounds like a buzz saw when you try to accelerate. I still marvel about the quality of my 1993 MR2 Turbo and am sad how far Toyota has fallen.

Just for you:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...onfirmed-2022/

https://www.motor1.com/news/398375/t...gr-c-hr-rumor/

https://toyotagazooracing.com/gr/yaris/

Toyota can't do any of these without RAV4 Hybrid or Prime.

And they way Toyota execute RAV4 Prime by raising suspension and put all the battery under the cabin makes it have a very low center of gravity. Unlike GLC350e or Crosstrek PHEV that actually loses trunk and spare space to house the batteries.

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Just for you:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...onfirmed-2022/

https://www.motor1.com/news/398375/t...gr-c-hr-rumor/

https://toyotagazooracing.com/gr/yaris/

Toyota can't do any of these without RAV4 Hybrid or Prime.

I actually like the styling of the latest Corolla and Camry. First time in ages Toyota has offered vehicles that elicit a double take when viewing that wasn't built by Subaru or BMW. I'm glad to see they are trying to turn around their perception of building vehicles that only a beancounter could love.

[Skrilla]

Looks like I need to find another option if there is going to be that big of a delay. Any suggestions? Currently she has a '18 CRV touring. Ideally something with considerably better performance, not that my wife cares but I drive it occasionally and the CRV is a dog. Want something that's had a fresh redesign either this year or 2021 MY.

[Xtrema]

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Looks like I need to find another option if there is going to be that big of a delay. Any suggestions? Currently she has a '18 CRV touring. Ideally something with considerably better performance, not that my wife cares but I drive it occasionally and the CRV is a dog. Want something that's had a fresh redesign either this year or 2021 MY.

Recently announced Venza? Just a normal hybrid but it's basically Japanese version of Lexus RX. Don't know what Toyota will price it at but probably starts at where RAV4 hybrid ends.

[Skrilla]

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Recently announced Venza? Just a normal hybrid but it's basically Japanese version of Lexus RX. Don't know what Toyota will price it at but probably starts at where RAV4 hybrid ends.

Wow that's quite nice. Sure better than the old Venza. Thanks for the idea!

[gogreen]

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Been waiting to hear from my local dealer to get allocation. Wife's CRV will be around 4 years by release time and this looks like the perfect replacement. Stupid question but how do the rebates on these work, are they taken off at purchase or do you apply later? Also TRD CH-R should have this engine

EDIT: called just now and they are saying what was stated above, allocation outside Quebec wont happen until 2021.

Regarding your question on the federal rebate, it’s taken off at purchase and the dealers apply to get reimbursed. Which could get interesting as the funding starts to get low.

[88CRX]

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RAV4 is such a mediocre vehicle. I don’t understand why anyone is clamoring for a PHEV version of a mediocre CUV that’s going to be ridiculously overpriced.

I'm with you there.

Had a Rav4 as a rental a month or so ago and I was extremely disappointment as well. Infotainment and interior was blah. And the fucking side mirrors rattled on the highway the entire time. And it sounded and felt like it had 150k km's on it (it had 20k). It actually reminded me of the Rav4 Prime discussion on here, was wondering WTF everyone was thinking lining up for one.

CRV Touring that we test drove last summer felt 100x nicer and more refined