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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman.45 View Post
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    I do wish companies would install a feature where you could "save" the electric power stored up, and decide when and where you wanted to employ it. In the Pacifica it immediately uses the electric power, then goes to gas power. For example, we have to drive 65km to another city near my father for monthly specialist appointments, and by the time you get 40 or 50km on the highway, the electric power is drained, and then once you get to the next city, it's just another gas powered van. It'd be nice to be able to override this, use gas on the highway, and the zip around your destination city on electric in town there.
    Fairly certain most PHEV models do this. The Audi A3 Etron can do 4 drive modes (EV only, Hybrid, Hold battery, Charge battery).
    Chrysler just hires programmers from the 80s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    Hybrid/PHEV are both something to tie us over until battery tech is stable/dense/cheap enough to be widely deployed.
    I know it's probably a pipe dream, but PHEV batteries are really accessible in some models, so I hope that there may be an upgrade path for new battery tech into older PHEVs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    If government wants to do something, I rather they do manufacturer EV mandate over rebates. Just look at how many EVs got dump into Cali with cheap leases just so manufacturers can stay in business. Cost us nothing and if you want an EV, everyone can get it for cheap.

    Hybrid/PHEV are both something to tie us over until battery tech is stable/dense/cheap enough to be widely deployed.
    Wait, costs us nothing?

    Edit: not sure I’m reading this right. What does manufacturer mandate mean?
    "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkane View Post
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    Wait, costs us nothing?

    Edit: not sure I’m reading this right. What does manufacturer mandate mean?
    Sell a fixed % of EV in Canada or they can't sell anything at all. This is how there were $99/mth lease on a lot of PHEV/EVs in California. FCA need enough credits from 500e (and now I guess Pacifica PHEV) to keep selling RAMs and Jeeps in California. Unfortunately, I don't think the feds in Canada has the power to do this and each province doesn't have enough purchasing power to mandate it. And Ontario will probably against it due to employment in the auto sector.

    Europe is doing the same thing in 2020 but they do it with fines based on emission. VW could be fined up to $9B in 2020 if they don't meet emission standard. That's why they are rushing to get ID3 out next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    Sell a fixed % of EV in Canada or they can't sell anything at all. This is how there were $99/mth lease on a lot of PHEV/EVs in California. FCA need enough credits from 500e (and now I guess Pacifica PHEV) to keep selling RAMs and Jeeps in California. Unfortunately, I don't think the feds in Canada has the power to do this and each province doesn't have enough purchasing power to mandate it. And Ontario will probably against it due to employment in the auto sector.

    Europe is doing the same thing in 2020 but they do it with fines based on emission. VW could be fined up to $9B in 2020 if they don't meet emission standard. That's why they are rushing to get ID3 out next year.
    I understand now.

    Back to my original statement, how does that cost us nothing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkane View Post
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    I understand now.

    Back to my original statement, how does that cost us nothing?
    Directly compared to handing out $2500-$5000 of rebate vs just a rule change?

    And how likely a company will leave an economy with 35M consumers? Especially for products that everyone is making already, they just need to be divert them here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    Directly compared to handing out $2500-$5000 of rebate vs just a rule change?

    And how likely a company will leave an economy with 35M consumers? Especially for products that everyone is making already, they just need to be divert them here.
    I’ll be upfront, I’m trying to bait you into telling me how the federal rebates don’t cost us anything, when in reality they do.

    All the tax payers.

    Without the incentive rebates, EVs will have a hell of a time selling. How will the manufacturers make the stakeholders happy without the proper ROI? I don’t mind the fact we have a rebate, some people are upset about it, but it certainly doesn’t cost us nothing.
    "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkane View Post
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    I’ll be upfront, I’m trying to bait you into telling me how the federal rebates don’t cost us anything, when in reality they do.

    All the tax payers.

    Without the incentive rebates, EVs will have a hell of a time selling. How will the manufacturers make the stakeholders happy without the proper ROI? I don’t mind the fact we have a rebate, some people are upset about it, but it certainly doesn’t cost us nothing.
    I think we are on the same side. Rebate cost us all and only applies to the lucky few that can afford new cars.

    I rather a federal mandate to force manufacturer to sell a % of EVs so the cost will be absorbed in their profit margins. So instead of making $11K on a F150, they only make $10K for e.g.

    The only way I can see that the mfgers will fight back is be removing all the auto plants in Canada.... something that they were doing anyway and runs south to US/Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    I think we are on the same side. Rebate cost us all and only applies to the lucky few that can afford new cars.

    I rather a federal mandate to force manufacturer to sell a % of EVs so the cost will be absorbed in their profit margins. So instead of making $11K on a F150, they only make $10K for e.g.

    The only way I can see that the mfgers will fight back is be removing all the auto plants in Canada.... something that they were doing anyway and runs south to US/Mexico.
    Gotcha. Thanks for the reply.
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    Do we have a dedicated Rav 4 prime thread? Anyway..


    https://www.autoblog.com/2020/05/29/...prime-pricing/

    New numbers:

    5.7 0-60
    42 miles EV range
    ICE engine retuned for more low end torque
    39,2xx USD

    If Toyota throws us a bone and allows 44,9xx pricing - we qualify for government subsidy. Is it $5000 on a PHEV like on a BEV under $45?

    This prime for 40k CDN would be a bargain.
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    Price isn't going to be the problem, getting your hands on one is. Sounds extremely limited availability. Betting no dealer has units sitting around to buy until 2021.

    Pretty compelling package though. Have been looking at a phev family car for the wife, and this ticks most of the boxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    Price isn't going to be the problem, getting your hands on one is. Sounds extremely limited availability. Betting no dealer has units sitting around to buy until 2021.

    Pretty compelling package though. Have been looking at a phev family car for the wife, and this ticks most of the boxes.
    Yes sir, us too.

    And it’ll blow the doors off most vehicles lol.
    "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age."

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    The odyssey we have now is plenty fast for my wife. Thing is nearly 300hp ya know..... The phev thing isn't perfect for everyone, but for the majority of her trips that are 20km or less, and she's got 15A charging at work, it would be a great option.
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    I was just going to post this in the thread I had going for finding a dealer for a RAV4 Prime. Fully loaded version of this thing is going to be pricey as all get out probably in the $55k ball park. It'll be hard to justify buying a RAV4 for $55K even if it qualifies for the $5k rebate.

    Here's a link to the official press release: https://pressroom.toyota.com/get-the...nder-40k-msrp/

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    I mean, you can spend $41k on a gasoline Rav4, and those things fly off the shelves.
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    True story.

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    They need to shove that drivetrain into a Toyota 86. I'd pay $55k for it.
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    Even a corolla woukd be amazeballs
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    Even a corolla woukd be amazeballs
    True story.
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