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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    I can't believe we are allowing unrestricted air travel from Wuhan into Canada still. Wow
    Im 0% surprised at that. Buffoons run our country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    What I don't understand is why someone who was sick would withhold information about thier illness from the doctors? I woukd think, selfishly, that I'd want my doctor to have the best information to treat me.
    Because people are selfish and only care about themselves, if they get turned away then all the money they spent is gone too or they know that the medical system is probably better where they’re going but then that goes back to point #1
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    Quote Originally Posted by adam c View Post
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    Because people are selfish and only care about themselves, if they get turned away then all the money they spent is gone too or they know that the medical system is probably better where they’re going but then that goes back to point #1
    Oh I get why tgey are travelling, but once they are sick and receiving medical attention, why continue to deceive?
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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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    Incubation period reported to be 1 to 14 days. Contagious during that period.
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    Beyond, bunch of creme puffs on this board.
    Everything I say is satire.

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    Just for some perspective, and to highlight the media panic narrative (which has been the case with EVERY flu like illness):

    in 2018-2019 (I believe Oct to April?) , some 65,000 people died from the NORMAL flu, around the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    Just for some perspective, and to highlight the media panic narrative (which has been the case with EVERY flu like illness):

    in 2018-2019 (I believe Oct to April?) , some 65,000 people died from the NORMAL flu, around the world.
    I don’t think the flu spreads as fast as this has been
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    Just for some perspective, and to highlight the media panic narrative (which has been the case with EVERY flu like illness):

    in 2018-2019 (I believe Oct to April?) , some 65,000 people died from the NORMAL flu, around the world.
    you're still downplaying the significance of this virus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    Oh I get why tgey are travelling, but once they are sick and receiving medical attention, why continue to deceive?
    People live in denial? They figure if they tell true symptoms that they’ll be quarantined and die?
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    Just for some perspective, and to highlight the media panic narrative (which has been the case with EVERY flu like illness):

    in 2018-2019 (I believe Oct to April?) , some 65,000 people died from the NORMAL flu, around the world.
    20 deaths in Alberta this year 3 weeks into January.
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    I have gone above and beyond what I should rightfully have to do to protect my good name

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    you're still downplaying the significance of this virus?
    No, im giving perspective.

    And Im not downplaying this illness, what I am mocking is the mass media hyperbole - esp so early on (what, after 5 deaths and then the whole thing ended up getting wall to wall coverage on global mass media? that certainly was planned)

    Yes, people are dying, yes cities are being cordoned off, but that does not mean we should live in fear as per the mass media panic mode and saturated coverage of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    No, im giving perspective.

    And Im not downplaying this illness, what I am mocking is the mass media hyperbole.

    Yes, people are dying, yes cities are being cordoned off, but that does not mean we should live in fear as per the mass media panic mode and saturated coverage of this.
    The problem is this has been identified as a very real threat but people are going out of their way to put others at risk solely based on selfishness by ignoring what’s being mandated and finding ways to get out of the quarantined zone. Not only that but they mask their symptoms and hide it from other people drastically putting more and more people at serious risk
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    No, im giving perspective.

    And Im not downplaying this illness, what I am mocking is the mass media hyperbole - esp so early on (what, after 5 deaths and then the whole thing ended up getting wall to wall coverage on global mass media? that certainly was planned)

    Yes, people are dying, yes cities are being cordoned off, but that does not mean we should live in fear as per the mass media panic mode and saturated coverage of this.
    There are some situations where you have to contemplate the tail risk - if the potential worst-case outcome is sufficiently catastrophic. The mathematics of a virus like this make the potential worst-case something you must consider. The difference between this and, say, the regular flu is the unknown unkowns. We don't know the margin between "it's" fine and "it's really not fine". From my understanding, the R naught on this is much higher than standard flu...like 2-3. Total deaths is not a good way to gauge how scared of a disease you should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    There are some situations where you have to contemplate the tail risk - if the potential worst-case outcome is sufficiently catastrophic. The mathematics of a virus like this make the potential worst-case something you must consider. The difference between this and, say, the regular flu is the unknown unkowns. We don't know the margin between "it's" fine and "it's really not fine". From my understanding, the R naught on this is much higher than standard flu...like 2-3. Total deaths is not a good way to gauge how scared of a disease you should be.
    I dont know how old you are, but the fear based, mass media narrative here is exactly the same as it was during SARS (and other mass media fear-based coverage of infections disease outbreaks).

    800-some people died globally during that outbreak, but the media was pushing "MILLIONS OF POTENTIAL DEATHS" narrative.

    Nothing new in other words. The 'cry wolf' effect is present here.

    Yes, wash your hands, wear a mask and avoid travel to infected areas - but dont live in fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    I dont know how old you are, but the fear based, mass media narrative here is exactly the same as it was during SARS (and other mass media fear-based coverage of infections disease outbreaks).

    800-some people died globally during that outbreak, but the media was pushing "MILLIONS OF POTENTIAL DEATHS" narrative.

    Nothing new in other words. The 'cry wolf' effect is present here.

    Yes, wash your hands, wear a mask and avoid travel to infected areas - but dont live in fear.
    Who said anything about living in fear?

    This is a risk assessment exercise - and frankly your approach isn't very data driven. What happened with SARS is irrelevant. How the media handle this is irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    I dont know how old you are, but the fear based, mass media narrative here is exactly the same as it was during SARS (and other mass media fear-based coverage of infections disease outbreaks).

    800-some people died globally during that outbreak, but the media was pushing "MILLIONS OF POTENTIAL DEATHS" narrative.

    Nothing new in other words. The 'cry wolf' effect is present here.

    Yes, wash your hands, wear a mask and avoid travel to infected areas - but dont live in fear.
    How can you avoid travel to infected areas when they're becoming global? Toronto and now potentially Edmonton and Vancouver
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    https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/mobile/pa...ding-1.4783834

    They learned their lesson from SARS was the overriding communication from that press conference.

    But during SARS they used assigned ambulances that had crews staffed with different respiratory protection and got enhanced decontamination between patients. And they communicated status and watched the first responders. (We had 4 EMTs get SARS remember)

    But EMTs weren't advised what they were dealing with. Found out like everyone else.

    So what lessons did we learn?

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    Thanks for the 14 years of LOLs. Govern yourselves accordingly and avoid uppercut reactions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rat Fink View Post
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    Time to bring the work mask home haha
    I'm actually working on a steampunk plague mask that'll clip over my 3M PAPR system

    But seriously industrial respirators are still available, and are way better protection than dust masks.

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    Last edited by Rat Fink; 12-06-2020 at 05:15 PM.
    Thanks for the 14 years of LOLs. Govern yourselves accordingly and avoid uppercut reactions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rat Fink View Post
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    Yep, I'm covered against CBRN threats and the standard riot chems (OC and CS gas). Couldn't say the same with a dust mask
    Even with just the standard P100 pancake filters - no air leaks, 100% filtration. Planning on rioting are ya?

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