Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV/COVID-19)

[Tik-Tok]

Gotta keep that housing bubble from collapsing.

[The_Rural_Juror]

Mount Pleasant McD's has fallen! Nooooooooooooo.

[AndyL]

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Mount Pleasant McD's has fallen! Nooooooooooooo.

Nooooooo!

Actually maybe it's for the best it was cooler when it was the old 1960s version...

[vengie]

Fill gaps in the workforce? Lol Canada is at a 9% unemployment rate...
How about we get Canadians working first?

This is Justin simply bringing in more Liberal voters.

[AndyL]

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Fill gaps in the workforce? Lol Canada is at a 9% unemployment rate...
How about we get Canadians working first?

This is Justin simply bringing in more Liberal voters.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...ng-even-if-it/

I have a sudden desire to know who quebec contracts to provide services to immigrants. They take the lions share they get funding no other province gets for this service. Feels like a whitewash like the 100m to buy un-approved ventilators from a former liberal MP.

Not that our government would ever do such things

[ExtraSlow]

Don't most new immigrants vote conservative because of the whole sky-man thing?

[killramos]

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Don't most new immigrants vote conservative because of the whole sky-man thing?

Historically yes. That and immigrants who followed the rules hating immigrants who cheated the system.

Coming from most of the places that immigrants come from, the left wing nonsense is way to much for them beyond the handing out free money. That and in many cases them experiencing first hand the failing of socialist policies.

[ExtraSlow]

It's hard to understand the political calculus of this move then.

[killramos]

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It's hard to understand the political calculus of this move then.

Virtue signal to white people

[zechs]

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Historically yes. That and immigrants who followed the rules hating immigrants who cheated the system.

Coming from most of the places that immigrants come from, the left wing nonsense is way to much for them beyond the handing out free money. That and in many cases them experiencing first hand the failing of socialist policies.

No, this is not correct at all. However, within the past few years there has been an immense gaslighting effort by the left-wing media to present it as such.

Here is an article that analyzes the actual data:
https://globalnews.ca/news/2291301/i...ction-results/

And here are some (as you would expect) twisting the narrative (surprise, they also come up first in search results unless you are very specific with your phrasing):
https://www.macleans.ca/politics/dou...e-ethnic-vote/

https://thewalrus.ca/the-ethnic-vote-is-a-myth/


I know what the argument against this is going to be. "Brand new immigrants vote conservative".

I don't have data to argue for or against that, so lets give you that they do, as "immigrants" cover people who have been here 60 years of their life possibly. Considering most immigrants are of voting age, one can surmise that quite quickly they flip to voting Liberal even if at the time of their first election they participate in, they vote conservative. So on any given year, you get maybe an extra 100k votes (50/50 voting liberal/conservative, and then a 50% turnout rate which is generous). But elections are 4-5 years apart, so the Liberals eventually get 300k extra votes.

Its a losing proposition for conservatives. Then were not even going to get into what can only be described as cultural genocide. The only places with higher (as of 2015) immigration rates than Canada in the "western" world are Switzerland, Norway, and Australia.

400k per year immigrants outstrips native born Canadian birth rates. You really think the Liberal's, as embedded in their own arrogance as they are, would do something that didn't benefit them?

[kertejud2]

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Don't most new immigrants vote conservative because of the whole sky-man thing?

Mostly no, then yes, now no again.

Pre-90s, immigrants tended to vote for the party that was in power when they got in. That would have skewed Liberal for a while between Pearson and Trudeau, Diefenbaker and Mulroney had lengthy terms as well, but a long period of Liberal domination.

With the fall of the PCs and rise of the Reform, immigrants weren't usually big voters for regional parties and would vote for whoever put the legwork in, but was pretty easy for the Liberals to move in.

In the late 90s and early 2000s the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives saw the overlap between their own beliefs and the beliefs of new immigrants and saw an opportunity. It was undoubtedly the most successful political move Jason Kenney has done (and I don't mean this in any facetious way, it was a legitimate political triumph):
https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/...e-to-my-world/

Kenney came to understand the magnitude of the task in March 2006, during one of his first meetings in his new role. A leader from the Korean community of Vancouver, a respected doctor, squarely asked him why Conservatives are racist and anti-immigration. Surprised, Kenney shot back that it was former prime minister John Diefenbaker who eliminated racial discrimination in the selection of immigrants, in 1962. Then he launched into a speech about the values they share: family, a strong work ethic, the fight against criminality.

The Korean listened to him for a few minutes, then interrupted him. If the Korean community had voted for the NDP and the Liberals in Vancouver, he said, it was because those MPs helped immigrants settle and find housing. They became the face of Canadian authority. “Elected officials take part in our celebrations, they’re present in our media.”

For Kenney, a light went on. “It woke me up,” he says. “I understood that I would have to be everywhere at all times. Personal contact is crucial for new immigrants.”

Ever since then, the minister has been on the road three weekends out of four. Some Sundays, in Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal, he takes part in as many as 20 cultural activities, starting at dawn in a temple and ending in darkness at a partisan reception. “In the last election campaign, I’d done so many that I became confused: I bowed to the wrong God in a church. I looked completely ridiculous,” he admits, laughing.

This strategy proved to be extremely successful and was a large part of what got the CPC their majority in 2011. Then combined with being in power and getting to shape the early immigrant recruiting and experience it becomes easier to make new immigrants voters for your party.

Though cracks did show depending on where you are. Jyoti Gondek's story

https://twitter.com/JyotiGondek/stat...20130997665792

Then for an inexplicable reason (too much influence from U.S. politics) the conservatives started drumming the whole tribalism and division thing again (us vs them, lefties vs righties, immigrants vs 'real' Canadians, etc). Heading into the 2015 election you had the social conservatives starting to get really antsy after being muzzled for nearly a decade. Backbenchers started saying more stupid stuff, but then it got to cabinet ministers like Alexander and Leitch coming up with the barbaric cultural practices hotline and things went to shit.

Lisa Raitt spoke with Canadaland on reasons they lost their inroads with immigrants in southern Ontario: barbaric cultural practices rhetoric and threats to citizenship.

https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/4...party-autopsy/

Chris Alexander realized the folly as well after the election, where he lost his seat.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/chri...lost-1.3106488

So in less than a decade, the party went from seeing immigrants as the source of growth in the party in the face of stagnation of votes, and a captive and loyal audience with similar beliefs, to 'anti-Canadian values', 'barbaric cultural practices' and effectively turning immigrants from an easy ally into an enemy. All that work and it was thrown away with one majority.


So immigrants didn't vote conservative because they thought they were racist and anti-immigration, until they started voting conservative because of a tremendously successful campaign of recruiting immigrant voters by showing how much their values align, to not voting conservative for being racist and anti-immigration again. That combined with 'advantage goes to who's in power', a big influx of immigration will skew Liberal, for the time being anyway.

[Buster]

Great post @kertejud2

[ExtraSlow]

Wow there's a lot in there I had no idea about.

[killramos]

Honestly working downtown I haven’t been exposed to much mask non compliance, people tend to follow the rules pretty well.

Had to grab some stuff at south center today and wow dirty south is earning it’s name. Tons of people refusing to comply.

[ExtraSlow]

Mask compliance is going down in you old neighborhood too. Used to be rare to see mask less people, now I see one or more every time I'm out and about.

[killramos]

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Mask compliance is going down in you old neighborhood too. Used to be rare to see mask less people, now I see one or more every time I'm out and about.

When you say mask compliance. Do you mean outside where it’s not mandatory, or in stores?

Not a lot of “in” in the old hood.

[ExtraSlow]

Safeway and the bus specifically.

[killramos]

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Safeway and the bus specifically.

Ahh. Thats particularly gross in a Safeway or a bus, nasty places.

[ExtraSlow]

That Safeway cannot hide its Northeast-ness. Gross is rhe correct description. I should stay on the west side of center.

[jutes]

Opioid deaths skyrocket, mental health suffers due to pandemic restrictions, new federal report says

https://www.cbc.ca/news/public-healt...0tYF-n6OtbINOg

The COVID-19 pandemic has wreaked havoc on Canadians suffering from mental illness, opioid addiction and other substance abuse problems, says a new study released today by the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) which confirms anecdotal reports warning that the pandemic's health consequences extend well beyond the novel coronavirus itself.

Pretty much confirms that our reaction to all this is worse than the virus itself. This winter should be interesting.