Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV/COVID-19)

[ThePenIsMightier]

All the merit and effectiveness of a Gun Control thread.

[Darkane]

I thought you could be fined under law for failing to do what any “practicable” (yes that word) person would do to help a dying person.

You FOR SURE are fined, jailed or what not if failing to take action of a practicable person to protect livelihood of others in a place of business (OH&S).

My leadership training taught me that stuff.

[zechs]

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My leadership training taught me that stuff.

No it didn't and no you do not. If you are in a safety position, you have an obligation. Jesus Christ, you claim to have taken the course but don't even know. I just reupped my safety training this week, and they specifically went over the obligations.

But not what I came here to post, just a fun article for Buster (I think Buster anyways):

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ou-might-think

TL;DR Long covid is essentially make believe bullshit fueled by Karens on social media. Because duh, of course.

[Darkane]

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No it didn't and no you do not. If you are in a safety position, you have an obligation. Jesus Christ, you claim to have taken the course but don't even know. I just reupped my safety training this week, and they specifically went over the obligations.

But not what I came here to post, just a fun article for Buster (I think Buster anyways):

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ou-might-think

TL;DR Long covid is essentially make believe bullshit fueled by Karens on social media. Because duh, of course.

Lol.

Here:

“Reasonably practicable” is a recognized term that is assessed using the reasonable person test, that is, what would a dozen of your peers consider reasonable in similar circumstances? Your peers would likely review what you did and compare it to what they do in their own operations. Some might do more, others less.
The result would be a balanced judgement that could be defended to others. In short – if the legislation tells you what to do, you do it. If a process, procedure, document or protection is generally good-to-have or an industry accepted best practice, you should apply what is reasonably practicable for your work site

https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/d8e1...in-li015-1.pdf

If we compared actions to a dozen of your peers, do they jive?

So of course we’re talking workplace. I’m pretty sure something like that would fall in line if you walked over a bleed person on the sidewalk haha.

Anyway I digress. Carry on

[nzwasp]

India seems to be getting badly hit by the variants right now. We have a department at our work that does engineering documentation for us and we requested a document last week and the supervisor said half his team had covid so expect delays.

[zechs]

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Lol. like that would fall in line if you walked over a bleed person on the sidewalk haha.

Anyway I digress. Carry on

You talked about a workplace. The standard is higher in the requirement to help, but still you do not need to supply care. There may be gross negligence if you say, didn't call the ambulance as a leader you do have an obligation to the well being of your subordinates. But unless you are in a safety position (which management may be included in), you're obligation doesn't extend further.

This is like the engineer stamp argument. Oh noes, my PENG is on the line because I could be held liable! Except it essentially has never occured, ever, anywhere in Canada. I don't even think that collapsed shopping mall in Quebec that was clear and demonstrated gross negligence came back on the engineer.

I do find it humorous though that people are equating what I am saying with what I'd do. I've called for help and assisted people many times in my life. The fact is, in Canada (except Quebec) you have no legal obligation to do so.

Turning back to covid, I think people are also a bit confused on my responsibility statement. There is no proof I have covid. Our legal system and democracy is based on innocent until proven guilty. This pandemic has seemingly had people turn that to guilty until innocent. Otherwise, the same standards for covid should apply to any communicable disease. Have aids? Sorry, can't come in this establishment. That would go over REAL well.

Asymptomatic spread is likely GROSSLY overexaggerated. The simple answer is that mildly sick people go about their lives with covid and spread it, just like the flu. And covid is more deadly overall than the flu, especially in the elderly, so the yoing spread it with mild conditions and the older die from it. I'm not suggesting IF I had covid and IF I did not take precautions and got people sick, I shouldn't be liable. Quite the opposite in fact.

I'm making the argument that if I am healthy, I should not have to do these things unless proven otherwise, because that is the basis of our society's foundations.

It was just really fun to wind up so many people in this thread, because as I said elsewhere, Beyond is a bunch of Karens. I still do not have a moral or legal obligation to you though beyond gross negligence, and even then, Canadian law has shown that gross negligence rarely if ever amounts to any meaningful punishment so we as a society clearly do not care... Except weirdly in this one specific case. Just makes a person wonder.

[Xtrema]

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India seems to be getting badly hit by the variants right now. We have a department at our work that does engineering documentation for us and we requested a document last week and the supervisor said half his team had covid so expect delays.

India? Ontario is potentially getting wrecked with B.1.617. San Francisco already have it. I'm sure if we put that on a check list, Ontario is probably getting wrecked with it too.

[nzwasp]

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India? Ontario is potentially getting wrecked with B.1.617. San Francisco already have it. I'm sure if we put that on a check list, Ontario is probably getting wrecked with it too.

But we arent seeing B.1.617 in Alberta? is that just because they arent testing for it?

[Xtrema]

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But we arent seeing B.1.617 in Alberta? is that just because they arent testing for it?

It's pretty new, not even a month old. Much like the Japanese EEK.

Also, on a con call right now, sounds like various school boards fucked up and didn't sent anyone close contact alert until they went back to work today. So we may have infected families not knowing for that week long spring break delay.

[nzwasp]

Our kids school sends us contact alerts and variant cases every day that's CBE though. They don't seem to send anything on weekends. But why should unionized govt employees work weekends for public health right?

[Xtrema]

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Our kids school sends us contact alerts and variant cases every day that's CBE though. They don't seem to send anything on weekends. But why should unionized govt employees work weekends for public health right?

So it may not be school board but specific schools then. Just seems odd both co-workers got alerted today but last possible contact was like a week or so ago. And now they have to get their kids to COVID tests.

[nzwasp]

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So it may not be school board but specific schools then. Just seems odd both co-workers got alerted today but last possible contact was like a week or so ago. And now they have to get their kids to COVID tests.

For our school for CBE we didnt get any notification over spring break. We got about 3 or 4 first day back though. I heard another school had a whole class quarantine over spring break and then one of the kids did a test found variant and had to quarantine the whole class again for another 14 days.

[ExtraSlow]

It's a different process for specific schools for sure. we get notifications from one kids school on weekends regularly. CBE leaves nearly everything up to the principals discretion. It's wild.

[rage2]

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India seems to be getting badly hit by the variants right now. We have a department at our work that does engineering documentation for us and we requested a document last week and the supervisor said half his team had covid so expect delays.

We’re seeing the same thing. The spread is ridiculously fast this time around. I have one family on my team that caught it, across all 3 generations in the family within a few days. Parents, in-laws, kids, everyone.

[Buster]

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We’re seeing the same thing. The spread is ridiculously fast this time around. I have one family on my team that caught it, across all 3 generations in the family within a few days. Parents, in-laws, kids, everyone.

this is in india?

[nzwasp]

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this is in india?

yes

[Buster]

I remember @rage2 saying that months ago, everyone in India went into DGAF mode. So this is not surprising.

[ExtraSlow]

India lives its life a quarter mile at a time.

[rage2]

Yea in India. The DGAF mode seemed to be ok, was really surprising to me, until this new variant.

[dubhead]

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The irony here is that you're quite ok with forcing thousands of people to lose their ability to earn an income. Hypocrite only begins to describe your asinine ideas on this. You've now claimed to be both responsible and empathetic, but proven you are the opposite of those two things.

You might be able to paint an argument that Zechs is selfish or irrepsonsible, but you are no better for being exactly the same, just on the other side of the coin.

Hardly I’ve actually been a large proponent of keeping what we can open while advocating for supports for those who have not been able to work. One of the big things driving us back towards lockdowns is selfish people who don’t think covid is real or the rules don’t apply to them. I feel very deeply for people who haven’t worked and the fact that they are stuck in this yo-yo. Until we get vaccinated and can move on unfortunately we are stuck. So wash your hands, wear a mask and stop acting like this all a joke.