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    Quote Originally Posted by jutes View Post
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    Fun article from the pandemic in 2011. Hospitals at overcapacity isnít nothing new, but in 2021 itís fucking horrifying.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...article569059/
    I see nothing in that article about ICU's, just Emergency, which is usually filled with people with the sniffles, or drunk people with a broken toe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjblair View Post
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    If this is true,
    Do you just hate fun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Do you just hate fun?
    He swears sweatpants 24/7 so I'm inclined to say yes.


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    The benefit of masks is not known at this time. But we do know it is some non-trivial amount more than zero.

    We also know that the cost of mask use is, essentially, zero.

    So the cost:benefit of mask use is approaching infinity. I'll take that every time. And every time I see someone without a mask, I think they are stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Do you just hate fun?
    Affirmative.

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    He swears sweatpants 24/7 so I'm inclined to say yes.
    One could make the argument that 24/7 sweats is actually in indicator for higher fun levels. Pre-covid, I wore a suit all the time; suits are not fun.

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    No fun. No cool. Carry on.
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    I just want to have an excuse for other people to buy me beer while I look at girls in tight clothing. Stampede is the best one of those I've ever found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tik-Tok View Post
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    I see nothing in that article about ICU's, just Emergency, which is usually filled with people with the sniffles, or drunk people with a broken toe.
    This is true, ERs are essentially ghost towns in this country right now and people are afraid of seeking care. If ICU overcapacity was increased over the summer, which was the purpose of the first lockdowns, we wouldn’t need restrictions and curfews this fall. Instead, no one did a single fucking thing to prepare for the second wave everyone knew was coming. This is a collective failure in government and medical systems and the large majority of the population is barring the brunt of their incompetence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tik-Tok View Post
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    I see nothing in that article about ICU's, just Emergency, which is usually filled with people with the sniffles, or drunk people with a broken toe.
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...care-1.5723342


    This one talks about ICU specifically. Essentially it is routine to run at 90% capacity and a lot of times above that. But the government doesn't want to release the data during the pandemic because they know the media will turn it into a fear frenzy when people think that current ICU capacity is due to covid. We have a pile more space we can utilize for ICU if need be, but we have never been near needing to do that.

    I guess you can take the doctor referenced in the article for whatever it's worth to you.

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    This is true, ERs are essentially ghost towns in this country right now and people are afraid of seeking care. If ICU overcapacity was increased over the summer, which was the purpose of the first lockdowns, we wouldn’t need restrictions and curfews this fall. Instead, no one did a single fucking thing to prepare for the second wave everyone knew was coming. This is a collective failure in government and medical systems and the large majority of the population is barring the brunt of their incompetence.
    Lockdowns are a giant failure on the governments part, as they have never been needed or helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterman View Post
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    Lockdowns are a giant failure on the governments part, as they have never been needed or helpful.
    We survived Christmas with surprisingly good effort and numbers.

    Lockdown works. Been proven twice now. But we just don't have the will and economy to do it for long.

    But now with US/UK/Brazil/SA variants, they seems to render all our measures except may be vaccines pointless now. So your view is probably less wrong.

    As for ICU, I heard it's now 4:1 now as patients vs staff in some wards in Ontario. ICU is usually 1:1 to 2:1. When politicians say they have more beds, it's just a lie because it's never about beds and I don't think we just graduated 4x more RNs in 2020 than any other years.


    That said was out and about and surprised that there are 50% mask compliance rate outdoor at a park that I was taking advantage of before polar votex comes in. It definitely shame me enough to put mine on.

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    A Covid-style stampede would be fucking awesome. VIP access that you have to pre-purchase online with proper social distancing. Cost will be like 200% higher to accommodate less traffic but you can now actually enjoy Stampede. I don't do all that bullshit partying at the grounds, so it would be pretty awesome for normal family stuff.

    But too bad that will never, ever happen as I doubt Stampede can breakeven at even charging a 200% mark-up.

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    Lockdown works. Been proven twice now. But we just don't have the will and economy to do it for long.
    On the stricter side of the spectrum, look at Wuhan and their waterpark concert with no masks after months of 0 cases. Living life normal now pretty much.
    Fucking look at us North American dummies...

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    Shutdowns/lockdowns do NOT work, Stanford just did a peer reviewed study, as posted yesterday. Lets stop drinking the bullshit kool aid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    Shutdowns/lockdowns do NOT work, Stanford just did a peer reviewed study, as posted yesterday. Lets stop drinking the bullshit kool aid.
    link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    Shutdowns/lockdowns do NOT work, Stanford just did a peer reviewed study, as posted yesterday. Lets stop drinking the bullshit kool aid.
    I agree. Lock down is pointless if everyone adhere to guidances.

    And if you read that research, it also list what are the most effective policies:

    1. - Social Distance
    2. - Contact Tracing detection and Home isolation/quarantine
    3. - Travel Ban


    Basically, a full lockdown is just a hail mary when 2 fails.

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    "In other words, it is possible that stay-at-home orders may facilitate transmission if they increase person-to-person contact where transmission is efficient - such as closed spaces.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    I just want to have an excuse for other people to buy me beer while I look at girls in tight clothing. Stampede is the best one of those I've ever found.
    You're on the service side bro, you're the one who buys beer these days!
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    Quote Originally Posted by schurchill39 View Post
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    You're on the service side bro, you're the one who buys beer these days!
    I keep forgetting this detail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1111/eci.13484

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    I keep forgetting this detail.
    Don’t worry. We have all noticed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    We survived Christmas with surprisingly good effort and numbers.

    Lockdown works. Been proven twice now. But we just don't have the will and economy to do it for long.

    But now with US/UK/Brazil/SA variants, they seems to render all our measures except may be vaccines pointless now. So your view is probably less wrong.

    As for ICU, I heard it's now 4:1 now as patients vs staff in some wards in Ontario. ICU is usually 1:1 to 2:1. When politicians say they have more beds, it's just a lie because it's never about beds and I don't think we just graduated 4x more RNs in 2020 than any other years.


    That said was out and about and surprised that there are 50% mask compliance rate outdoor at a park that I was taking advantage of before polar votex comes in. It definitely shame me enough to put mine on.
    I suppose it depends on your definition of "works". If someone is concerned with scary case numbers instead of meaningful statistics, it could be viewed that lockdowns work. Doing 10 times the harm to the public than the disease we are unsuccessfully trying to prevent, isn't really a working model in my mind. Especially when an option like giving everyone 5000iu of VitD every day is shown to be like 80% more effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disoblige View Post
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    A Covid-style stampede would be fucking awesome. VIP access that you have to pre-purchase online with proper social distancing. Cost will be like 200% higher to accommodate less traffic but you can now actually enjoy Stampede. I don't do all that bullshit partying at the grounds, so it would be pretty awesome for normal family stuff.

    But too bad that will never, ever happen as I doubt Stampede can breakeven at even charging a 200% mark-up.


    On the stricter side of the spectrum, look at Wuhan and their waterpark concert with no masks after months of 0 cases. Living life normal now pretty much.
    Fucking look at us North American dummies...
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