Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV/COVID-19)

[ExtraSlow]

quick early deaths are cheap. Too bad covid doesn't work that way, it'd be an economic benefit to the country.

It's been a while since I said that rich old people dying is beneficial to young people, right? Trickle-down economics baby.

[Kloubek]

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2019 revenue was 8.3 billion so it would seem so.

https://www.straight.com/finance/can...but-sales-drop

There's actually a couple studies floating around that seem to point to smokers and the obese actually being cheaper overall on the healthcare system as they have short life expectancies and avoid drawn out old age care.

Good reading for later. Thank you.

Though you just know that even with potential facts to back up that smokers pay for their own care in tax, it'll still be used as an example as to why we should leave the anti-vax crowd alone.

When the sky is red, it's red. Period.

[zechs]

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they gave the numbers last night. 276 beds if memory servers of which 218 are covid... that is with the extra beds if not for the extra beds we would be at 153% of capacity ...

I don't know what to tell you. They are actively using bullshit scare tactics and strong arming people into doing things they won't do anyways, while punishing the rest of us.

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Beds, drugs and ventilators don't matter when you don't have the staff to support it. You'll see a lack of hospital staff long before you'll run out of supplies.

I'll believe it when I see it. Otherwise its just more FUD.

[vengie]

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I'll believe it when I see it. Otherwise its just more FUD.

Are you being obtuse due to boredom or just plain naievity?

Well documented shortage of health care providers right now.
You might just have to look outside your usual conspiracy realm to see that.

[jutes]

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I don't know what to tell you. They are actively using bullshit scare tactics and strong arming people into doing things they won't do anyways, while punishing the rest of us.

How does the government benefit from reinstating restrictions and pissing off the 70%+ of the vaccinated?

[flipstah]

Waive ICU rights to unvaccinated and upset people IDGAF

[zechs]

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Well documented
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Are people dying because there are no healthcare workers?

Are emergency medical procedures being put off due to no healthcare workers?

Understand, I did not say were there extra workers to deal with covid. Regardless of if there was covid, are the available spots full?

Pretty simple yes or no question, and I ask it honestly. AHS has ads for 556 nursing positions throughout Alberta, only something like 18 of those are "advanced care" nurses which I take to mean ones that can handle ICU duties.

There are OVER 26,000 RN'S IN ALBERTA. We are talking a 2% vacancy rate.

Once again, FUD. You are the one being naive, believing the media and unions are spouting anything but nonsense. Its outright bullshit, and I am sick of it.

I still fail to see how a COVID patient can possibly use much in the way of human hours of resources. They get medicine and put on a ventilator. There is no surgery (well, in a few cases there are), there is no minute by minute care, they are essentially static except for rounds or if they are literally dying and in the ICU, which we have beds and personnel to man.

This isn't conspiracy. The media is completely full of shit, and has been for a long time. Death and fear sells, and boy howdy, with Trump gone, this is the only thing keeping their companies going

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When the UCP apologizes for opening too soon, we know the hospital situation is really fucking bad.

[Xtrema]

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This isn't conspiracy. The media is completely full of shit, and has been for a long time. Death and fear sells, and boy howdy, with Trump gone, this is the only thing keeping their companies going

Sell what? AB Gov is in so much debt, they would rather love to see out of work people and businesses going under so they can collect less taxes?

Everyone is now grasping at straws now as to why we are here today. Since we are not made of infinite money and we can't pump out nurses and doctors like we do with iPhones, the only blame left is the unvaccinated 30%. Plain and simple.

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When the UCP apologizes for opening too soon, we know the hospital situation is really fucking bad.

Collectible status now?

EDIT: Had to pull that pic off 660news since UCP's own website is down. Seems to be SSL issues on host. LFOL.

[flipstah]

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When the UCP apologizes for opening too soon, we know the hospital situation is really fucking bad.

Well, we had a good run. See y'all on the other side

[89coupe]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybe...-growing-list/

[finboy]

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Sell what? AB Gov is in so much debt, they would rather love to see out of work people and businesses going under so they can collect less taxes?

Everyone is now grasping at straws now as to why we are here today. Since we are not made of infinite money and we can't pump out nurses and doctors like we do with iPhones, the only blame left is the unvaccinated 30%. Plain and simple.





Collectible status now?

EDIT: Had to pull that pic off 660news since UCP's own website is down. Seems to be SSL issues on host. LFOL.

My buddy ordered onen, they sent him 2, hopefully picking up my spare tonight and when we have patio beers. Great end to the season

[ThePenIsMightier]

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybe...-growing-list/

RoFL!!!
I hope he shit himself while he was still awake, and in the throes of death and that his children and grandchildren were not allowed to visit him.
Can someone give us a geo-pin to his grave so that people can piss on it?

*Toilet flush.wav

[duaner]

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Those people already DO overrun our healthcare system. The vast majority of health issues clogging up our system which even at the best of times is claimed to be stretched (without covid) are because of people's choices.

Large portions of the healthcare system exist specifically to treat those people, so how can they be overrunning the system?

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Interesting how the unvaxxed are being treated like they deserve it, even though through no action of their own, they are infected by someone else.

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Society doesn't have a responsibility to care about you. Individual people certainly don't. Being alive is selfish to the dead, being rich is selfish to the poor, you demanding somebody do something for your own interests strikes me as pretty selfish

Selfishness is, by definition, to care only about oneself. The selfish people are those who refuse to do what they reasonably can to try and prevent others from getting sick. They think their decisions only affect them, which is false. It is a reasonable expectation in society (at least in a decent society) that everyone do what they can to protect others in addition to themselves.

What is interesting is that you argue that the unvaxxed aren't to blame for their infection because it came from someone else, yet argue that society doesn't have a responsibility to care about the individual (which it does). If the responsibility lies solely with the individual, then how can the unvaxxed not be responsible for their being infected?

[kJUMP]

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I don't know what to tell you. They are actively using bullshit scare tactics and strong arming people into doing things they won't do anyways, while punishing the rest of us.

Yes, ICUs always run near capacity 80-90%, whatever that number may be. That number is not different today, if you convince yourself that the added surge capacity was present pre-Covid. Nonetheless, the composition of the ICU admits is completely unrecognizable to earlier, in that it's nearly all Covid. We were all hoping you would have understood that by now. There are no additional surgeries or procedures being performed which could in any way impact ICU utilization. None. There is no FUD.

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I still fail to see how a COVID patient can possibly use much in the way of human hours of resources. They get medicine and put on a ventilator. There is no surgery (well, in a few cases there are), there is no minute by minute care, they are essentially static except for rounds or if they are literally dying and in the ICU, which we have beds and personnel to man.

You have no qualifications to speak to this at any length. Once you obtain your MD followed by 7 additional years of clinical medicine and critical care training, we would be happy to learn more about this from you.

[rage2]

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Sell what? AB Gov is in so much debt, they would rather love to see out of work people and businesses going under so they can collect less taxes?

Everyone is now grasping at straws now as to why we are here today. Since we are not made of infinite money and we can't pump out nurses and doctors like we do with iPhones, the only blame left is the unvaccinated 30%. Plain and simple.





Collectible status now?

EDIT: Had to pull that pic off 660news since UCP's own website is down. Seems to be SSL issues on host. LFOL.

I dunno, I felt like I had a pretty amazing summer. Was double vaxxed in May, tons of 30C+ days, travelled every weekend throughout Alberta without a care in the world, sometimes top down and got a wicked tan, while meeting some amazing people along the way. Hell even now nothing has changed much so far. Aside from hospital that doesn’t affect me today, it’s been awesome haha.

[redline]

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You have no qualifications to speak to this at any length. Once you obtain your MD followed by 7 additional years of clinical medicine and critical care training, we would be happy to learn more about this from you.

I got a box of cracker jacks today and it said I am now a doctor so fuck school ….

Then I bought another box and it said I was also a constitutional lawyer …. So I am covered for anything that comes up in this thread.

[jutes]

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There is no surgery (well, in a few cases there are), there is no minute by minute care, they are essentially static except for rounds or if they are literally dying and in the ICU, which we have beds and personnel to man.

You dumb.

[killramos]

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I dunno, I felt like I had a pretty amazing summer. Was double vaxxed in May, tons of 30C+ days, travelled every weekend throughout Alberta without a care in the world, sometimes top down and got a wicked tan, while meeting some amazing people along the way. Hell even now nothing has changed much so far. Aside from hospital that doesn’t affect me today, it’s been awesome haha.

100%

Was a great summer. Covid didn’t bother me at all.

[ianmcc]

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2019 revenue was 8.3 billion so it would seem so.

https://www.straight.com/finance/can...but-sales-drop

There's actually a couple studies floating around that seem to point to smokers and the obese actually being cheaper overall on the healthcare system as they have short life expectancies and avoid drawn out old age care.

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/2/6/e001678

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/smok...study-1.764092

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quick early deaths are cheap. Too bad covid doesn't work that way, it'd be an economic benefit to the country.

It's been a while since I said that rich old people dying is beneficial to young people, right? Trickle-down economics baby.

It's actually quite brilliant in a way.
Why reduce smoking and thus reduce tax income?
Instead of restricting smoking and eliminating flavored smokes the government should encourage pre-teen smoking-get 'em hooked young-and put cigarettes back in vending machines. They will die early before they can draw a lengthy pension.
Gotta play the long game.