Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV/COVID-19)

[AndyL]

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I dunno. I'm not in any way advocating for a lower or lighter covid response.

But I do think allocating more resourced to harm reduction strategies for opioid deaths woukd be beneficial. If that's whataboutism, then I'm in.

Trudeau gave every kid out there 1200$/month if they were in school, 2000$/month if they did any work. Vastly above welfare rates.

What did he think was going to happen with a bunch of locked up folks who've been given a lot more money than they were making prior?

Kinda seems like you could expect this result in restrospect.

Partly why I'm so pissed off at the emergency planning in this country. We've spent billions - we've done no planning, we've done less research, we're not prepared for anything to happen. Our agencies have been planning for "sars2.0" for 17 years and didn't manage to come up with any actionable plans in that time... And nothing but decades past expired PPE in storage "just in case" (truthfully it had been trashed in 2019)

[Tik-Tok]

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This is why I hate “rules”. As per usually the only people punished are the honest people who were never a problem in the first place.

Open it all up, let them all die.

Rules only work if they're enforced. If the fines were $10g and only occasionally given out, or the fines were $500 but handed out like candy, we'd see a difference.

[AndyL]

One of the 20 deaths today was a 25yr old with no known comorbidities.

With the numbers climbing this fast and seemingly worse compliance with public health orders happening daily... It's going to get more frequent.

[Sentry]

Yeah, I didn't need a pandemic to tell me to avoid malls in December (or any month). The mind boggles that people still fall for that trap.

[dirtsniffer]

In hindsight giving drug addicts $18000 to buy crank probably wasn't a good idea

[jutes]

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This is why I hate “rules”. As per usually the only people punished are the honest people who were never a problem in the first place.

Open it all up, let them all die.

That’s the beauty of nature, it has already decided for you and there isn’t a damn thing you can do about it.

[Misterman]

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https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947e2.htm

"After implementation of mask mandates in 24 Kansas counties, the increasing trend in COVID-19 incidence reversed. Although rates were considerably higher in mandated counties than in nonmandated counties by the executive order, rates in mandated counties declined markedly after July 3, compared with those in nonmandated counties. Kansas counties that had mask mandates in place appear to have mitigated the transmission of COVID-19, whereas counties that did not have mask mandates continued to experience increases in cases. The findings in this report are consistent with declines in COVID-19 cases observed in 15 states and the District of Columbia, which mandated masks, compared with states that did not have mask mandates (7)."


doh.

Yes eventually their trend reversed........... after it spikes.

You can ignore it all you want, but it was wildly observable right here in Alberta. And it is a data point worth investigating.

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Firstly, yes - I am that retarded. And I say that with all due respect to my niece with CP.

I was not, however, under any knowledge until today that it was indeed *I* who was the conspiracist. Flip the tables. Savvy move.

I just finished watching a film titled "Rebirth". Its about Kyle, who enters a mysterious self-help program by the advice of his friend, and everyone veteran to this program is just speaking nonsensical brainwashed bullshit, yet with passion and zeal that truly impressive.

You are Kyle. He eventually buys in, and turns away from logic and reason. I would like to turn you off now. Click.

Well what else should we call you guys? Make wild claims based on anecdotal stories, and ignores any data that does not immediately support the anecdotal conclusions. This is exactly how people that believe in flat earth and anti-vaxxing conspiracies arrive at their opinions.

[Misterman]

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What is your point? 15% of fire code for a mall is going to be a lot of people. If you’re uncomfortable with people being around you, don’t go.

Isn't that just the icing on the cake for most of these hypocrites. Covidiots- "We need to take this serious and obey the rules" Also covidiots "Wow look how busy it is when I went to the mall. Fuck these people not obeying the rules" Uh, you're one of them champ.

They want all kinds of restrictions, so long as they don't have to abide by or be affected by those restrictions.

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One of the 20 deaths today was a 25yr old with no known comorbidities.

With the numbers climbing this fast and seemingly worse compliance with public health orders happening daily... It's going to get more frequent.

Of course it will get more frequent(not necessarily, but the number will grow). However it will still remain a statistical anomaly.

[TurboMedic]

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I dunno. I'm not in any way advocating for a lower or lighter covid response.

But I do think allocating more resourced to harm reduction strategies for opioid deaths woukd be beneficial. If that's whataboutism, then I'm in.

What other harm reduction strategies would you employ? Without detracting too much from the topic of the thread, there are safe use sites, I hand out narcan kits like they're candy, there's no mystery of the dangers of usage and we all do street level education and hand out lit. You can't round up and lock up the users until they kick, you can try and guide them along, which alot of that is being done. I can tell you from having ongoing interactions with many of the same individuals until they die (and like I tell them, they do), they use the resources that are available, one of the biggest issues is the supply. Its erratic in strength, we know exactly when there's a change because previously "safe" or experienced users are getting knocked down. How do you control that?

[Buster]

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Yes eventually their trend reversed........... after it spikes.

You can ignore it all you want, but it was wildly observable right here in Alberta. And it is a data point worth investigating.

Now you're just ignoring the closest thing we will get to a controlled trial because you're either being deliberately obtuse, or you're not sophisticated enough to understand what you are looking at. In reality, probably both. People here are trying to educate you (out of generosity, I suppose). It's probably worth identifying when you are in over your head intellectually.

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What other harm reduction strategies would you employ? Without detracting too much from the topic of the thread, there are safe use sites, I hand out narcan kits like they're candy, there's no mystery of the dangers of usage and we all do street level education and hand out lit. You can't round up and lock up the users until they kick, you can try and guide them along, which alot of that is being done. I can tell you from having ongoing interactions with many of the same individuals until they die (and like I tell them, they do), they use the resources that are available, one of the biggest issues is the supply. Its erratic in strength, we know exactly when there's a change because previously "safe" or experienced users are getting knocked down. How do you control that?

If the war on drugs was a failure, the war on drug use seems to be heading that direction. At what point does society decide that self-abuse isn't our problem. Addiction might not be a choice, but the steps that get one into addiction certainly are.

[SKR]

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What other harm reduction strategies would you employ? Without detracting too much from the topic of the thread, there are safe use sites, I hand out narcan kits like they're candy, there's no mystery of the dangers of usage and we all do street level education and hand out lit. You can't round up and lock up the users until they kick, you can try and guide them along, which alot of that is being done. I can tell you from having ongoing interactions with many of the same individuals until they die (and like I tell them, they do), they use the resources that are available, one of the biggest issues is the supply. Its erratic in strength, we know exactly when there's a change because previously "safe" or experienced users are getting knocked down. How do you control that?

Exterminate the dealers.

[dirtsniffer]

A friend is a cop and he has narcan'd the same people dozens of time. Even multiple times a day. A paramedic probably sees more of the same. Each one of the calls costs the city a few grand juat for police, so these people are wasting millions a year on fucking overdosing. Almost cheaper to through them in prison

[bjstare]

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A friend is a cop and he has narcan'd the same people dozens of time. Even multiple times a day. A paramedic probably sees more of the same. Each one of the calls costs the city a few grand juat for police, so these people are wasting millions a year on fucking overdosing. Almost cheaper to through them in prison

Would be even cheaper to leave them alone when they OD.

[ExtraSlow]

Well, yeah, be cheaper to people die. For sure. True of most causes of death. Save the entire AHS budget.

[max_boost]

If you wanna save money the China way is great. Let them die, cut them open and part out the rest. For this comment I am never going back to China lol

I have a buddy who is a first responder fire fighter and some of the stories, he knows some of these OD ppl by name cuz he has been first on scene 6-7x to the same dude. Like fk man.

[dirtsniffer]

There are no repercussions for this behavior, well until they die I guess. Maybe we should take a finger each time.

[bjstare]

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Well, yeah, be cheaper to people die. For sure. True of most causes of death. Save the entire AHS budget.

[duaner]

"British Prime Minister Boris Johnson discussed with his senior ministers on Saturday what urgent action to take after it was confirmed that a new strain of the COVID-19 virus could spread more quickly and lead to a surge in cases."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...tain-1.5238619


"He said there was “nothing to suggest” that the mutant would cause more serious disease, though he did say that the mutation is linked to the virus’ spike protein, which is instrumental in allowing it to reproduce and spread and is the target of many leading vaccines currently in development, including the Pfizer-BioNTech one currently being rolled out in the U.K. and the U.S.. "

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberth...h=5c8abe3770f6

[AndyL]

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"British Prime Minister Boris Johnson discussed with his senior ministers on Saturday what urgent action to take after it was confirmed that a new strain of the COVID-19 virus could spread more quickly and lead to a surge in cases."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...tain-1.5238619


"He said there was “nothing to suggest” that the mutant would cause more serious disease, though he did say that the mutation is linked to the virus’ spike protein, which is instrumental in allowing it to reproduce and spread and is the target of many leading vaccines currently in development, including the Pfizer-BioNTech one currently being rolled out in the U.K. and the U.S.. "

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberth...h=5c8abe3770f6

And notice how many uk- north american flights are still flying.

Seriously hope they do a proper quarantine of everyone currently airborne or send them back.

[ExtraSlow]

"proper quarantine" is not a thing.